The Unicorn has Finally Appeared - Pentax Announces its FF camera at CP+


I am thinking of forming a buyer interest list when the camera finally arrives.

sounds like groupon... will definitely work!

hope you guys get $100 off or $200 in bundled gifts...
 

It will be interesting how many who have moved on or own other camera brands will come back and own this Pentax FF.
The new FF will have to over deliver to even come close to current offerings in terms of price and spec. If there are no teething issues that have plagued cameras like the D600 or D750, I see a good opportunity for Pentax to create a loyal following.

Thinking of coming back already? ;) Anyway, hope more guys would come back Pentax after the release of this Pentax FF camera. Once a Pentaxian, always a Pentaxian :D
 

I am thinking of forming a buyer interest list when the camera finally arrives.
I am sure if we can get 8-10ppl and buy from just one shop, they should be able to give us a better price than if we just by scattered by ourselves.

Remember we could do this with previous agent (EMjay). Hope APD could also do something similar for us early adopters.
 

It is sort of hard for me to understand their strategy for releasing a FF into a very crowded market FF market where DSLR sells are in decline and the two majors are getting their @sses handed to them by a Sony FF mirrorless camera. They are so very late to the game. What do they know that we don't?

Bro, that's like saying, why Xiaomi release a handset with previous generation hardwares when the mobile market has been largely dominated by Apple and Samsung which always has the latest and greatest processors?

Answer: Technology advances so damn fast at this age, there are always something "new" within 6 months, one would be a fool with empty pockets to keep up when actually most of the "upgrades" are not used/needed for most (e.g. get iPhone 6 just for surfing, Facebook, play Candy Crush).

Seriously? Go read up on Xiaomi's business strategy and you'll understand. Pentax has always been using it.
 

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Go read up on Xiaomi's business strategy and you'll understand. Pentax has always been using it.

apple : xiaomi

canikon : pentax

no la... doesn't draw a parallel.... pentax much better than that
 

Bro, that's like saying, why Xiaomi release a handset with previous generation hardwares when the mobile market has been largely dominated by Apple and Samsung which always has the latest and greatest processors?

Answer: Technology advances so damn fast at this age, there are always something "new" within 6 months, one would be a fool with empty pockets to keep up when actually most of the "upgrades" are not used/needed for most (e.g. get iPhone 6 just for surfing, Facebook, play Candy Crush).

Seriously? Go read up on Xiaomi's business strategy and you'll understand. Pentax has always been using it.

You're probably right. Look at how they have fared in APSC and it ain't going to be any easier with FF. I would think that in their shoes I would try to dominate the medium format pro market (but perhaps the margins would indeed be better with a FF system)...I mean look at all the great proven glass on hand liao. Man that would be something. But then again I'm like dust on the bottom of a man's shoe compared to Xiaomi. Which is maybe why I buy every K mount lens I come across usually despite not owning a working body to use them with. :)
 

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The new FF camera is very tempting.
I will also upgrade this time.

For LR and DCU use, I will also plan to upgrade the RAM in my PC from 8GB to 16GB. CPU (4.5GHz) and main hard disk (SSD) are already ready.
 

It just seems to get better and better :

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/...ion-pixel-shifting-future-pentax-cameras.html

Apparently, Pentax will have a technical discussion on super resolution sensor shifting during CP+ on the 12th.

Basically speaking, the sensor shifts over the Bayer array to get per pixel resolution (Think Foveon type crazy resolution)
 

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More n more good news coming...really worth the waiting...😊
 

It just seems to get better and better :

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/...ion-pixel-shifting-future-pentax-cameras.html

Apparently, Pentax will have a technical discussion on super resolution sensor shifting during CP+ on the 12th.

Basically speaking, the sensor shifts over the Bayer array to get per pixel resolution (Think Foveon type crazy resolution)

So the FF may just be a test run for a Markii digital 6X7 with super sensor and yes indeed they are going to try to dominate the MF pro market? Wow possibly big times ahead for Pentax.
 

I wish they would have an option for a 12MP A7s sensor or the 16MP unit from the D4s. Want better high ISO performance, don't need so many megapixels. Haven't printed larger than A4 recently, rarely A3, 12MP should suffice
 

I wish they would have an option for a 12MP A7s sensor or the 16MP unit from the D4s. Want better high ISO performance, don't need so many megapixels. Haven't printed larger than A4 recently, rarely A3, 12MP should suffice

second that!
 

I wish they would have an option for a 12MP A7s sensor or the 16MP unit from the D4s. Want better high ISO performance, don't need so many megapixels. Haven't printed larger than A4 recently, rarely A3, 12MP should suffice


Having used 12mp and 24mp FF, 24mp imo, almost just right, though I would think 16-18mp would be ideal.
24mp is not that harsh on old lenses on the edges. (esp old WA )
Its also more manageable and in terms of most practical needs, its more than enough.
12mp is nice, very forgiving with the low pixel density, but can fall short in mp esp for a prime shooter like me how may need to shoot with the intention to crop.

24mp is better overall.
Still forgiving enough on technique and lenses.
File size still manageable to the imagining/computing pipeline.
Can use downsampling to get NR and apparent sharpness benefits.


The 12mp A7s sensor does have better DR at high iso.
But if you look at the DPR comparisons they did between A7s, A7r, 6D, I do think that when downsampled with proper NR, 22mp and 36mp holds details better.
DR advantage, really depends... in a dark scene, very often we want highlights to be bright and shadows to be still shadows (or black), so very subjective need for the DR.
This advantage is clearer in video where the larger mp cameras cannot benefit from downsampling advantages.


Just not a fan of the 12mp of the A7s.
Too specialized imo.


36mp a bit much imo (and for my needs)
If the new Pentax FF is based on this sensor, then I would probably incorporate downsampling to 20-24mp as part of my exporting workflow to JPG to get a very usable smaller size and NR/apparent detail benefit.
 

Canon is gonna make some 50mp FF cameras, Olympus is coming out with a 40mp 4/3 camera (with sensor shift), I guess Pentax has to join the pixel war to put at least a 36mp sensor in the new FF Pentax camera.

It's good to have 36mp so we can resize or crop to a smaller sized one. The biggest problem is probably the requirement for lenses. It's still too early, let's see how it goes.

Meantime, you can join the Ricoh FF discussion and put in your wish list here:

http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/t5/Full-Frame/Full-Frame-Market-Launch-2015/td-p/1625
 

The 36mp is a FF version of the 16mp apsc one.
The 24mp FF sensor. .. I got no idea. ...
But from my use and observations, its the 36mp sensor that is the better one in terms of noise and a bit better DR.
More like a larger version of what we are familiar with on K5.

It also may provide Pentax the advantage of knowing how to tweak it to get the best performance, based on the amazing thing they did for the 16mp sensor.
So not necessarily abad thing at all.
 

I am a huge fan of the 12mp sensor, new or old, they seem to give me the images I like. Much cleaner than the artifacts I get from the ultra mega pixels, having tested them myself (and not based on anyone's reviews). Maybe my glasses (lens) are really lousy and cannot make it type.

But for Pentax, they should really refrain from making their 1 and only one FF at 12mp. Their strategy isn't the same as Sony. Sony just keeps spewing camera bodies, and they will continue to do so. They already have 3 or arguably 4 sensors in their alpha line up.

36Mp will be a good start. And I have every bit of confidence they will tweak it well for their customer base, as they always have.
 

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I am a huge fan of the 12mp sensor, new or old, they seem to give me the images I like. Much cleaner than the artifacts I get from the ultra mega pixels, having tested them myself (and not based on anyone's reviews). Maybe my glasses (lens) are really lousy and cannot make it type.

But for Pentax, they should really refrain from making their 1 and only one FF at 12mp. Their strategy isn't the same as Sony. Sony just keeps spewing camera bodies, and they will continue to do so. They already have 3 or arguably 4 sensors in their alpha line up.

36Mp will be a good start. And I have every bit of confidence they will tweak it well for their customer base, as they always have.



You want your Leika to work without seeing too much issues mah! :D


But yeah.
The World could have stopped circa 2005 with 12mp FF and things could have been good enough.
It certainly did not prevent good images to be made.

For the generalist, I would still think a bit more mp over 12 gives sone flexibility.
12mp is a bit more specialised.
 

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