That is why the JI is such a threat to our Singapore national security, they will never give up until they meet their objective!
JI detainee does a prison break.
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U are right and I agree with you. However do you know that our ministers are well sought-after. The moment they move away, they will get income 10 times their current salary.
So, resignation is symbolic to show the person is not capable of leading and a better, more responsible person has to be in place
So symbolic is a term used?
I have confidence in our leaders. If Wong KS is not capable of doing his job, he would have gone long time ago. Nobody will survive in the team if they are not up to the mark.
How high do you suppose you want to go? All the way until the President? Then wat abt the people who elect the President? Us the citizens ...
Ultimately, the buck has to stop somewhere ...
my 2 cents ... the superintendent in charge of the premises has the basic responsibility to ensure that security is not compromised. If he fails to ensure the premises where he is everyday or maybe visit once a week is secure, then he has not lived up to his responsibility.
On the other hand, if he has done everything and Mas Selamat dig a hole in the reinforced concrete or knock down a wall so that he can climb over a fence, then we cannot say that he has not been responsible. Given ourselves, we would not have expected the same thing from Mas Selamat.
The minister probably visit the venue once a year and after the classic public service tidying-up of all unsightful things (remember Jack Neo's movie that before the minister visit, the people tidy up the building?). How could he expect to be held directly responsible for the security of the venue?
If for every wrongdoing, mistake whatever somewhere far down the line, a minister has to go, do we have enough ministers to play the musical chair?
Must the minister inspect every sq inch of the permises and every corner to ensure that the venue is secure? Then what for employ the services of the superintendent of the detention centre? Moreover, things will be touched up before his visit to ensure that they impress him with the permises and proper explanations given for things not in order by some quick thinking people like "detainees only come here during visits and 2 guards will ensure that the detainee is always in sight and this is accessible as well to the visiting public" for windows not being grilled. How is the minister to know that somewhere down the line, a convergence of mistakes make an escape possible?
When i was in SAF, there was audit check annually to make sure things are run properly in the unit (operation procedures, inventory accountancy, documentation and etc...)
Maybe ISD is special, they are exempted from audit checks
Oh ya
More Good Years ahead Sigg,
lets just hope the minister and all of the people responsible for this learn their lesson. coz we learn from our mistakes, our past, our history. we cant anticipate these things. what we can do is learn from them and move on. why argue about what had happen. no use crying over spilt milk. haha. and its good that Minister Wong KS didnt resigned. so that he can learn from his mistakes. if they elect a new minister, the new minister might not know how to cope with this kind of problems whereas Minister Wong KS has already faced it now.
move on guys. just search for mas selamat and end this thing. hahaha
move on guys. just search for mas selamat and end this thing. hahaha
Anyway, its is true we should move on. no one's hurt, its just a show. There must be a reason he is gone. A good reason perhaps to save soul or two.
No bad media shown and chapter had been ordered to close. Even many of the posters were taken down. National day & SAF day is coming; we should prepare for the mood and not let this incident dampen the joyous occassions.
Do not ask for accountability. Forgive and forget is perhaps the modern approach.
Shouldnt the mods here close this thread? Its not getting anywhere i feel.
When i was in SAF, there was audit check annually to make sure things are run properly in the unit (operation procedures, inventory accountancy, documentation and etc...)
Maybe ISD is special, they are exempted from audit checks
Oh ya
More Good Years ahead Sigg,
Well, even in audit checks, not everything is checked out ... tt's why CPL Dave Teo can jalan out w SAR 21 ...
Some places have a security officer / dept to look into these kinds of stuff ... for some, its a shared responsibility (ie, if its everybody's job, then its nobody's) ...
Ultimately, the human factor is the weakest link in an organisation ... you can have all the procedures and stuff like tt and it still doesn't matter ...
You are beri right.
But the most basic requirement for a detention centre is to have its CCTV survelliance system working...
I dun tink the audit check will miss that out
Move on !
Look forward to performance bonus
First and foremost, i feel for my family safety because someone screwed up very badly on the escape of a known terrorist. Somebody has to account for the escape, if you read properly, I did not mention ministers or presidents, but somehow somebody has to be responsible, up to now, no one seems responsible. There is no excuse.
Mas Selamat is a known terrorist
He's well train to leave no trace of his escape
He have planned to bomb Changi Airport
He have planned to bomb the US navel base personnals in SG
He most likely knows how to make a bomb
SG was the one who exposed him
This present gov is the one who make him go on the run
With him still at large, how many of us can really move on, forgive and forget?
He's well train to leave no trace of his escape
He have planned to bomb Changi Airport
He have planned to bomb the US navel base personnals in SG
He most likely knows how to make a bomb
SG was the one who exposed him
This present gov is the one who make him go on the run
With him still at large, how many of us can really move on, forgive and forget?
move on as in move on from blaming the ministers, isd, guards etc. theres nthg left we can do about that but to forgive them for their mistakes. but we cant move on from the Mas Selamat's case as he is still out here somewhere. just keep searching for him. and we have to give support to the govt. much like riise. he score an own goal, similar to the mas selamat's escape. what the liverpool fans can do is to continue to support him, much like what we must do to the govt. and who knows, with this support, liverpool can forge a historic moment by beating chelsea in the next leg, similarly to the govt, by catching mas selamat. forgive, learn from the past, support.
iirc, the guards etc has been disciplined (we dun know how though), how can no one seems responsible?
Sure, no one's hurt now...do you think dangerous terrorists just escape then leave civilisation alone?
well
do you think locking them up or executing them solves anything?
cut one down, another will rise
the root of the problem is not solved.. take away one mas selamat, there will be another one. :dunno:
No one's hurt during the process of his escape. He can go on hurt others after his release, but if this was planned, is there anything we can do fix the case? If there was war threat for a real attack by the thwarted religious group, do we have defense?
No, we should let the matter rest. We should move on and be more vigilant as a society. We are seeing things from behind the closed curtains. The macro view can look alot more devastating and there is a reason why we cannot probe. Terrorism is about money and ego.
For eg, there were rumours that 911 was planned and bush could have known about the incident. With all the unanswered technical inconsistencies, what can the US citizens do about it? My colleagues were standing by the window and witnessed the gruesome murder by those basterds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIgoXQWiSlM&feature=related
Welcome to the world of uncertainty.
When i was in SAF, there was audit check annually to make sure things are run properly in the unit (operation procedures, inventory accountancy, documentation and etc...)
Maybe ISD is special, they are exempted from audit checks
Oh ya
More Good Years ahead Sigg,
I am not too sure whether it is done. If not, they have to get someone to do the audit.
It is a good practice.
I cannot not agree with you. If a new minister is appointed, he or she will start a new learning curve!
You are only worry about Mas Selamat.. do you know that there are many Mas Selamat(S) out there.
So don't move on... no need to live because of one of the Mas Selamat(S) had gone!
Maybe we should consider:
1. Lock ourself away from one of the Mas Selamat(S) in one of the islands
2. Employ the best body Guards and surround us
3. Wear fully armour gear all the time
4. Live on free air and drink from the sea
5. Always think of Mas Selamat(S)
All becos of "....SG was the one who exposed him
This present gov is the one who make him go on the run"
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