I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.mpenza said:not too sure abt now. maybe 3-4k? 5-6 years ago, computing grads could get around 2.5-3k for starting pay I think. It also depends on what sort of "consultant".
Darren said:I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.
IIRC, read in some papers that uni grads were starting off at anywhere between $1.8K-$2K last year.
Also, the term "consultant" may be misleading as it implies that the person has real-world experience or knowledge which, for a fresh grad, may not be applicable as the person may not have had any prior working knowledge or experience (not trying to imply that Falcon does not have the knowledge or experience, just stating what I would understand or gather if someone put "Consultant" in their title, next to Fresh Grad.)
Yeowww said:IT line is tough ****. got a friend who has been out of job for i think a year already.
now is the employers' market, they can afford to take their time to choose. and don forget the IT guys from India, supposed to be more 'affordable'.
word of advise. the sales people are more important, they are the ones who brings in money. without sales, no backend staff to talk about. So when it comes to reward, u know who is better rewarded
Darren said:I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.
IIRC, read in some papers that uni grads were starting off at anywhere between $1.8K-$2K last year.
Also, the term "consultant" may be misleading as it implies that the person has real-world experience or knowledge which, for a fresh grad, may not be applicable as the person may not have had any prior working knowledge or experience (not trying to imply that Falcon does not have the knowledge or experience, just stating what I would understand or gather if someone put "Consultant" in their title, next to Fresh Grad.)
serene said:For internal IT dept, I think Indian and mainland Chinese work between $2.2K ~$2.8K. Their quality of work is very good. Also, as they are on EP, there is no need to pay CPF or even AWS or VB, though many companies are kind enough to reward them w/ 13th month. They work long hours too and hardly complain about the type of project given to them. So, Singaporean workers have to value add to show our worth if we want to earn more.
Aton said:It depend on luck too, I have a friend who started with $1500, then move on to a foreign firm in providing it solutions, with a monthly package of $3k, then his company only had 3 person then, 1 marketing Manager and a Regional Director, my friend title was product specialist.
Then when his company reschuffle, his salary rose to $6k. Just early this year he became the Product Manager, pay more than 5 digit, he's still younger than 30 years old.
So what I'm saying is sometime it depends on you luck, do not look for very high pay for you 1st job, but must learn and gain value adding experience. Then when you see an opportunity just go and fight for it.
But you must have passion in your work in the 1st place, not just the pay package.
blurboiboi said:I would not bet on an Indian or Chinese import for all kind of projects... they might be damn good in programming... but logically we know Singapore's system much better....
few weeks back there is this Indian programmer who coded an add on specification for an existing program (MOE Cockpit project)... because of his lack of understanding in our education system.... the whole logic was wrong.... therefore the project was delayed and everything gotta be re-coded.....
thus it really depends... in this case I guess my project leader would have choosen a singaporean instead....
Yeowww said:Let's not discuss whether they are good or not, the point is that they cost less than a local. So how can Singaporeans add values to show our worth, when in the jobs are not given to the locals??
Yeowww said:your friend very lucky....ask him to give me 4 digits leh
blurboiboi said:I am a fresh grad from School of Computing this year...
Most IT jobs now as advertised req ppl to have some sort of experience eg. went through how many development cycles or years in related field etc...
But there are still many coys who are still willing to groom fresh grads or newbies as well....
My recommendation would be try getting an IT cert in a field you think you excel or like most eg. DB, Web Dev or SW Dev etc... It does help in getting you interviews, of course the second part depends on you "ling chang biao xian" already... It is kinda of ex and usually mid to big size coys would send their staffs for free certification....
4 out of 10 of my friends landed up in non IT related jobs... and I do forsee 3-4 out of the remaining 6 would move away from IT field sooner or later... IT professionals (unless employed by BIG firms) are really over work and underpaid jobs... I been at Accenture for a month and it is like "do cow do horse" man... heehee... but none the less still got ppl like this type of jobs...
IT consultant are pretty different... this are the guys that usually sells the products to companies... and getting req. from them which are eventually passed down to programmers to be customised.... Less shitty job and paid much higher... hee...
i hoped i helped in contributing..