Expected salary for software consultant


Status
Not open for further replies.

Falcon

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2002
2,768
0
0
37
#1
Can someone give me a rouge estimate of what to put for current market rate? For fresh grad with no experience. :embrass: Thanks.
 

mpenza

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2002
12,938
0
0
Singapore
www.instagram.com
#2
not too sure abt now. maybe 3-4k? 5-6 years ago, computing grads could get around 2.5-3k for starting pay I think. It also depends on what sort of "consultant".
 

Darren

ClubSNAP Admin
Staff member
Jan 16, 2002
8,606
26
48
Melbourne
#3
mpenza said:
not too sure abt now. maybe 3-4k? 5-6 years ago, computing grads could get around 2.5-3k for starting pay I think. It also depends on what sort of "consultant".
I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.

IIRC, read in some papers that uni grads were starting off at anywhere between $1.8K-$2K last year.

Also, the term "consultant" may be misleading as it implies that the person has real-world experience or knowledge which, for a fresh grad, may not be applicable as the person may not have had any prior working knowledge or experience (not trying to imply that Falcon does not have the knowledge or experience, just stating what I would understand or gather if someone put "Consultant" in their title, next to Fresh Grad.)
 

ndroo

Moderator
Staff member
Nov 22, 2003
8,243
3
0
47
www.fuzzyeyeballs.com
www.fuzzyeyeballs.com
#4
Darren said:
I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.

IIRC, read in some papers that uni grads were starting off at anywhere between $1.8K-$2K last year.

Also, the term "consultant" may be misleading as it implies that the person has real-world experience or knowledge which, for a fresh grad, may not be applicable as the person may not have had any prior working knowledge or experience (not trying to imply that Falcon does not have the knowledge or experience, just stating what I would understand or gather if someone put "Consultant" in their title, next to Fresh Grad.)
agree. some of the 'consultants' i've worked with in projects, are just 'support staffs' in the old days. nowdays, the title doesn't really reflect the real thing anymore (to me). it all depends on the job scope and capabilities. for IT consultants who does more of handling support calls & training ... in my company ... pay range from $1.8k to $2.5k
 

Falcon

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2002
2,768
0
0
37
#5
Thanks for the all inputs. I have no experience at all and I am currently still studying. Just that need to submit the job application by this week. And I am willing to take lower pay just to gain experience and exposure. :)
 

Yeowww

New Member
Mar 6, 2004
183
0
0
Somewhere out there
#6
that's good attitude.

However, do not lower too much until you 'spoil' the market :nono: else kanna humtum by friends :sweat:

i know of a PhD student, intending to work for FREE in a prominent local company, giving the company a chance to assess him during this period and at the same time, gaining experience. also look good in resume

this guy will sure kanna whack left right centre one :bsmilie:
 

blurboiboi

Senior Member
Jan 8, 2003
6,242
0
36
38
Loyang
blurboiboi.instantlogic.com
#7
I am a fresh grad from School of Computing this year...
Most IT jobs now as advertised req ppl to have some sort of experience eg. went through how many development cycles or years in related field etc...
But there are still many coys who are still willing to groom fresh grads or newbies as well.... :)

My recommendation would be try getting an IT cert in a field you think you excel or like most eg. DB, Web Dev or SW Dev etc... It does help in getting you interviews, of course the second part depends on you "ling chang biao xian" already... It is kinda of ex and usually mid to big size coys would send their staffs for free certification....

4 out of 10 of my friends landed up in non IT related jobs... and I do forsee 3-4 out of the remaining 6 would move away from IT field sooner or later... IT professionals (unless employed by BIG firms) are really over work and underpaid jobs... I been at Accenture for a month and it is like "do cow do horse" man... heehee... but none the less still got ppl like this type of jobs...

IT consultant are pretty different... this are the guys that usually sells the products to companies... and getting req. from them which are eventually passed down to programmers to be customised.... Less shitty job and paid much higher... hee...

i hoped i helped in contributing.. :)
 

Yeowww

New Member
Mar 6, 2004
183
0
0
Somewhere out there
#9
IT line is tough ****. got a friend who has been out of job for i think a year already.
now is the employers' market, they can afford to take their time to choose. and don forget the IT guys from India, supposed to be more 'affordable'.

through my experience, the sales people are more important, they are the ones who bring in money. without sales, no backend staff to talk about. So when it comes to reward, u know who is better rewarded
 

scanner

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2002
1,608
0
0
Visit site
#10
1st of all I'm not trying to be racist or what. The situation here is getting bad. With the influx of foreigners such as chinese, indian national (experience somemore) willing to take on a lower pay job (to them the pay is high - due to currency exchange and standard of living), its actually greatly affect the market here (let not dicuss about whether they are capable). Companies are more willing to employ them at a much lowered pay as compared to local grads/experience developers.

To add matter worse, every year we have thousands of IT grad been chucking from local and overseas institutions, competing for the already small market, it a sad situation now.
There are many companies finding excuses to sack those IT professional with high pay and replace them with much lowered paid professional.

Those in this field will know how many Indian/Chinese national has "invade" our ricebowl. We should not blame, but the policy maker who allows them to be here.

In general, globalization does not benefit those poor & middle incomers, but those rich and well to do ones. :devil:
 

serene

New Member
Oct 3, 2004
412
0
0
#11
Yeowww said:
IT line is tough ****. got a friend who has been out of job for i think a year already.
now is the employers' market, they can afford to take their time to choose. and don forget the IT guys from India, supposed to be more 'affordable'.

word of advise. the sales people are more important, they are the ones who brings in money. without sales, no backend staff to talk about. So when it comes to reward, u know who is better rewarded
For internal IT dept, I think Indian and mainland Chinese work between $2.2K ~$2.8K. Their quality of work is very good. Also, as they are on EP, there is no need to pay CPF or even AWS or VB, though many companies are kind enough to reward them w/ 13th month. They work long hours too and hardly complain about the type of project given to them. So, Singaporean workers have to value add to show our worth if we want to earn more. :)
 

jbma

Senior Member
Dec 28, 2003
3,287
0
0
Tampines
#12
Darren said:
I think given the economic climate now, the starting pay for fresh grads have actually come down.

IIRC, read in some papers that uni grads were starting off at anywhere between $1.8K-$2K last year.

Also, the term "consultant" may be misleading as it implies that the person has real-world experience or knowledge which, for a fresh grad, may not be applicable as the person may not have had any prior working knowledge or experience (not trying to imply that Falcon does not have the knowledge or experience, just stating what I would understand or gather if someone put "Consultant" in their title, next to Fresh Grad.)
Totally agree with Darren. Nowadays experience is more valuable than paper qualification.
 

Aton

New Member
Jan 29, 2004
89
0
0
Bedok South
#13
It depend on luck too, I have a friend who started with $1500, then move on to a foreign firm in providing it solutions, with a monthly package of $3k, then his company only had 3 person then, 1 marketing Manager and a Regional Director, my friend title was product specialist.

Then when his company reschuffle, his salary rose to $6k. Just early this year he became the Product Manager, pay more than 5 digit, he's still younger than 30 years old.

So what I'm saying is sometime it depends on you luck, do not look for very high pay for you 1st job, but must learn and gain value adding experience. Then when you see an opportunity just go and fight for it.

But you must have passion in your work in the 1st place, not just the pay package.
 

Yeowww

New Member
Mar 6, 2004
183
0
0
Somewhere out there
#14
serene said:
For internal IT dept, I think Indian and mainland Chinese work between $2.2K ~$2.8K. Their quality of work is very good. Also, as they are on EP, there is no need to pay CPF or even AWS or VB, though many companies are kind enough to reward them w/ 13th month. They work long hours too and hardly complain about the type of project given to them. So, Singaporean workers have to value add to show our worth if we want to earn more. :)
Let's not discuss whether they are good or not, the point is that they cost less than a local. So how can Singaporeans add values to show our worth, when in the jobs are not given to the locals??
 

Yeowww

New Member
Mar 6, 2004
183
0
0
Somewhere out there
#15
Aton said:
It depend on luck too, I have a friend who started with $1500, then move on to a foreign firm in providing it solutions, with a monthly package of $3k, then his company only had 3 person then, 1 marketing Manager and a Regional Director, my friend title was product specialist.

Then when his company reschuffle, his salary rose to $6k. Just early this year he became the Product Manager, pay more than 5 digit, he's still younger than 30 years old.

So what I'm saying is sometime it depends on you luck, do not look for very high pay for you 1st job, but must learn and gain value adding experience. Then when you see an opportunity just go and fight for it.

But you must have passion in your work in the 1st place, not just the pay package.
your friend very lucky....ask him to give me 4 digits leh :D
 

blurboiboi

Senior Member
Jan 8, 2003
6,242
0
36
38
Loyang
blurboiboi.instantlogic.com
#16
I would not bet on an Indian or Chinese import for all kind of projects... they might be damn good in programming... but logically we know Singapore's system much better....

few weeks back there is this Indian programmer who coded an add on specification for an existing program (MOE Cockpit project)... because of his lack of understanding in our education system.... the whole logic was wrong.... therefore the project was delayed and everything gotta be re-coded.....

thus it really depends... in this case I guess my project leader would have choosen a singaporean instead....
 

scanner

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2002
1,608
0
0
Visit site
#17
blurboiboi said:
I would not bet on an Indian or Chinese import for all kind of projects... they might be damn good in programming... but logically we know Singapore's system much better....

few weeks back there is this Indian programmer who coded an add on specification for an existing program (MOE Cockpit project)... because of his lack of understanding in our education system.... the whole logic was wrong.... therefore the project was delayed and everything gotta be re-coded.....

thus it really depends... in this case I guess my project leader would have choosen a singaporean instead....
But how many of the bosses can think this way?
Cost is always the issue. ;)
Must be cheap and good. :devil:
 

serene

New Member
Oct 3, 2004
412
0
0
#18
Yeowww said:
Let's not discuss whether they are good or not, the point is that they cost less than a local. So how can Singaporeans add values to show our worth, when in the jobs are not given to the locals??
We offered to Singaporeans and PR but all turned away coz they all don't want to be Programmers, all want to be System Analysts. Also, most did not pass the test.. :(
 

Aton

New Member
Jan 29, 2004
89
0
0
Bedok South
#19
Yeowww said:
your friend very lucky....ask him to give me 4 digits leh :D
In actual fact, he can give you the 5 digits,
Because the position is now open. He had resigned to take a well deserved break. He is going Nepal trekking before coming back to search for a new job.

I believe when a person has been on a position for too long and feel there's no more to progress, would want some changes to his life. To seek something that makes it more fulfilling.

Some hints, the office is in Suntec, a foreign company.

As for the discussion about those "foreign talent", my friend had often grumbled to me about how uncooperative they are and like to shirk off their responsibility. Its one of the reason he left the company. He's the only local.

"Must understand what the client need, not what they want. It may not be suitable. Use the expertise to advise how the product can add value to the client rather than say it will only solve their problem. Providing solution without adding value is not good enough."
Thats what my friend like to say
 

Falcon

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2002
2,768
0
0
37
#20
blurboiboi said:
I am a fresh grad from School of Computing this year...
Most IT jobs now as advertised req ppl to have some sort of experience eg. went through how many development cycles or years in related field etc...
But there are still many coys who are still willing to groom fresh grads or newbies as well.... :)

My recommendation would be try getting an IT cert in a field you think you excel or like most eg. DB, Web Dev or SW Dev etc... It does help in getting you interviews, of course the second part depends on you "ling chang biao xian" already... It is kinda of ex and usually mid to big size coys would send their staffs for free certification....

4 out of 10 of my friends landed up in non IT related jobs... and I do forsee 3-4 out of the remaining 6 would move away from IT field sooner or later... IT professionals (unless employed by BIG firms) are really over work and underpaid jobs... I been at Accenture for a month and it is like "do cow do horse" man... heehee... but none the less still got ppl like this type of jobs...

IT consultant are pretty different... this are the guys that usually sells the products to companies... and getting req. from them which are eventually passed down to programmers to be customised.... Less shitty job and paid much higher... hee...

i hoped i helped in contributing.. :)
Thanks for your contribution. Great to hear from someone graduating fr my faculty. So what are you working as over there? I think most of the jobs there require some years of experience.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom