Auto or Manual Gear for Car
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JL1500k said:
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the disadvantages of auto car:
1. complicated gear box, more prone to breadown than manual gearbox. also, costly repairs if it break down
2. makes you lazy and eventually forget how to effectively drive manual car. all my colleagues now drive auto and all are now unable to handle manual car
3. costs more.
4. there is almost no engine brake at all speeds!
5. when moving fwd, you dont even know exactly which gear u are at.
whats more, u can buy second hand manual cars at really cheap prices like $20k. if you want to buy a cheap second hand auto car..frankly speaking, it doesnt really exist in the market.
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vince123123
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Just to comment on these.
1. No comments - I'm not a mechanic
2. That may be true, however all technological advances are intended to make people lazy and/or make life easier. Would you not use a computer because it makes you lazy and forget how to use a manual typewriter? Would you not use Af because it makes you lazy and forget how to use MF? Would you not use email because it makes you lazy and forget how to write a letter?
3. That is true - you pay for the convenience.
4. Not all auto cars have no engine brake. Some have shifttronic capabilities that let you upshift or downshift as you like. Even the more primitive auto cars allow a certain measure of engine braking (using the 1 or 2 settings). Of course if you want to use enigne braking at Gear 3, you're out of luck with the primitive auto cars.
5. Again, the more advanced auto cars are able to tell you which gear you are at. But I was just wondering, why do you need to know which gear you're at when you drive auto?
1. No comments - I'm not a mechanic
2. That may be true, however all technological advances are intended to make people lazy and/or make life easier. Would you not use a computer because it makes you lazy and forget how to use a manual typewriter? Would you not use Af because it makes you lazy and forget how to use MF? Would you not use email because it makes you lazy and forget how to write a letter?
3. That is true - you pay for the convenience.
4. Not all auto cars have no engine brake. Some have shifttronic capabilities that let you upshift or downshift as you like. Even the more primitive auto cars allow a certain measure of engine braking (using the 1 or 2 settings). Of course if you want to use enigne braking at Gear 3, you're out of luck with the primitive auto cars.
5. Again, the more advanced auto cars are able to tell you which gear you are at. But I was just wondering, why do you need to know which gear you're at when you drive auto?
user111 said:
Kinda curious, did u pass ur Class 3? Unless u're talking about one of those new fangled 'auto restricted license', beginner drivers are all trained on Manual Gears.jasonpgc said:
So if u're saying Manual is much more dangerous for beginner drivers, either the beginner driver is sleeping during driving lessons and got ur Class 3 with sheer luck alone or the beginner driver did something to the tester to get his/her license.
I had more problems with an Auto Car initially when I switched over from Manual instead. :sweatsm:
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vince123123
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Well, for a learner driver, it takes more effort to learn a manual car as there are more things to be aware of, and more controls to manipulate to get the desired result.
jsbn said:
Be it manual or auto its up to personal preference.
But over here some tips for choosing:
1.) Age 18~35 (young and adventure, go for manual)
2.) Age 35~45 (family man, go for auto)
3.) Age 45 and up (hope can save enough to buy a lamborghini gallardo or Enzio Ferrari, of course manual one lahz, or else take mrt better, think got senior citizen discount)
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But over here some tips for choosing:
1.) Age 18~35 (young and adventure, go for manual)
2.) Age 35~45 (family man, go for auto)
3.) Age 45 and up (hope can save enough to buy a lamborghini gallardo or Enzio Ferrari, of course manual one lahz, or else take mrt better, think got senior citizen discount)
:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
vince123123 said:
vince, #2, New technology does not mean its better. MP3 Vs CD?
Ppl still want to cruise than fly. So i guess its part of the experience.#5, I guess if you're schooled in maunal transmission, naturally, you will like to know which gear you're in and it may help when trying to get out of a long sweeping corner or climbing a gentle slope.
jsbn said:
Don't you know that auto cars are easier to drive? Esp for a new driver that passed his manual licence, auto is still going to be easier to drive. Both are equally dangerous but with auto, the new driver have less things to worry about like gears and clutch. Might allow him/er to concentrate more with less distractions. Some new drivers must still 'look' at the gear shift or forget which gear they're in. How they pass, i dunno. These days, a lot of lousy drivers on the road.
True.vince123123 said:
But more effort and since one takes Class 3 on a manual car and passed his TP, means that he/she shld be a reasonably good driver to be put on the road without none of the silly mistakes learner drivers make like rolling back on a hill and stuff like dat.
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I don't think that passing a test correlates with how good a driver is.
Hmm, I see a lot of drivers rolling back on the hill, and its obvious to me that they are driving a manual car. In order to drive a manual car, they must have passed the Manual Class 3 test.
By the way, I've also passed the Original Class 3 manual test.
I didn't say its better, I just say it makes life easier and more convenient. For raw power and people who like the control, sure you can go ahead for Manual gear. That said, auto gear isn't as devoid of control as some make it out to be. The point was in response to another poster's point that the disadvantage of auto is that you get lazy. Technological advances often makes people lazier or makes jobs easier. There may or may not be some compromises (whether price, control, raw power etc) to achieve the ease.
Hmm, I see a lot of drivers rolling back on the hill, and its obvious to me that they are driving a manual car. In order to drive a manual car, they must have passed the Manual Class 3 test.
By the way, I've also passed the Original Class 3 manual test.
jsbn said:
I didn't say its better, I just say it makes life easier and more convenient. For raw power and people who like the control, sure you can go ahead for Manual gear. That said, auto gear isn't as devoid of control as some make it out to be. The point was in response to another poster's point that the disadvantage of auto is that you get lazy. Technological advances often makes people lazier or makes jobs easier. There may or may not be some compromises (whether price, control, raw power etc) to achieve the ease.
afbug said:vince, #2, New technology does not mean its better. MP3 Vs CD?
vince123123 said:
If it makes life easier and more convenient, isn't it better?
Can't be still the same or worst rite? :bsmilie: Disadvantage of auto is not you'll get lazy. It allows you to be lazy. :thumbsup: But really, i spoke to my uncles who drove autos for a long long time and they say its very hard for them to old back to manual. Want to be lazy. :bsmilie: In a sense, if you get used to convience, not easy to go back to old school.
it's funny how i waited but nobody mentioned this...
Regardless, manual or auto...........
It's the man behind the wheel.. :bsmilie:
Regardless, manual or auto...........
It's the man behind the wheel.. :bsmilie:
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Like I said previously, it makes life easier and more convenient. Just like how AF and Aperture Priority/ Shutter Priority makes life easier. But the alternative view is that MF and Manual settings give more power and control.
Hence, there's no conclusion on "better". Its more convenient, perhaps at a trade-off.
Hence, there's no conclusion on "better". Its more convenient, perhaps at a trade-off.
afbug said:If it makes life easier and more convenient, isn't it better?
Disadvantage of auto is not you'll get lazy. It allows you to be lazy. :thumbsup: But really, i spoke to my uncles who drove autos for a long long time and they say its very hard for them to old back to manual. Want to be lazy. :bsmilie: In a sense, if you get used to convience, not easy to go back to old school.
Know... of cos know. Step accelerator and go. Want to stop, step brake.afbug said:
My biggest problem when parking with an auto car is engaging the Drive and stepping on the accelerator instead of engaging Reverse.
I realised I got more close shaves with Auto den with Manual. Manual anyday. :thumbsup: Especially with the WEeee~~~~~ gliding I can do. :bsmilie:
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crizz
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I am still using manual for my driving. Manual is good if you are not yet become a lazy driver and want to zoom away faster. Nonetheless auto is good if you are always stuck in a jam
My vote, if you got the money ... go for auto straight ... if not go for manual.
My vote, if you got the money ... go for auto straight ... if not go for manual.
yanyewkay said:
One famous phrase from 《烈火战车》- 人要比车凶
And a famous phrase from me - "man behind camera must be brighter than the lens"
To clear some doubts,
The newly CVT gearbox are a pain the neck when they spoilt. The technology in a CVT gearbox is to have a smoother gear change so that the driver or passenger do not even feel any gear change as compared to conventional auto gearbox where there is a "jerk". As compared to a manual gearbox, replacing is defintely more costly than the latter. (A Honda auto gearbox can cost up to $8k to replace from KM). Also, it is recommended to do a flushing and replacing of the ATF (auto transmission fluid) yearly.
For autogear box, try not to change gears too often (especially during traffic light change). Constant changing of gears will result in faster wear and tear of the gearbox. For best recommendation, only change from D to N or R during parking or when reaching destination. Keep it in D mode even during traffic light. Myth is that engaging in D mode consumes fuel.
Safety wise, it is not true that Auto mode is safer for new drivers. I guess many should have heard of the news where a new driver plunge to death froma multi storey carpark in our neighbouring country. Why so? She unknowingly engaged into the R instead of D and step hard on the accelerator.
There will be engine brakes irregardless manual or auto. Of course the higher the gear, the lesser the engine brake. For manual gears, you can do a selection of gears. For auto, you can also choose by dropping to "3" (unless if you are travelling beyond 100km/h). Then again, I don't see the need for engine braking at high speed. It's more for travelling downslope (e.g. from Genting downslope) and you'd usually engage 2 for the engine braking to prevent burnt out of your brake pads.
As for knowing which gear you r in, I am seriously wondering why would anyone want to know which gear they are in for Auto. In the event it's a MUST KNOW, there is also a gear indicator which can be installed.
Cheers
The newly CVT gearbox are a pain the neck when they spoilt. The technology in a CVT gearbox is to have a smoother gear change so that the driver or passenger do not even feel any gear change as compared to conventional auto gearbox where there is a "jerk". As compared to a manual gearbox, replacing is defintely more costly than the latter. (A Honda auto gearbox can cost up to $8k to replace from KM). Also, it is recommended to do a flushing and replacing of the ATF (auto transmission fluid) yearly.
For autogear box, try not to change gears too often (especially during traffic light change). Constant changing of gears will result in faster wear and tear of the gearbox. For best recommendation, only change from D to N or R during parking or when reaching destination. Keep it in D mode even during traffic light. Myth is that engaging in D mode consumes fuel.
Safety wise, it is not true that Auto mode is safer for new drivers. I guess many should have heard of the news where a new driver plunge to death froma multi storey carpark in our neighbouring country. Why so? She unknowingly engaged into the R instead of D and step hard on the accelerator.
There will be engine brakes irregardless manual or auto. Of course the higher the gear, the lesser the engine brake. For manual gears, you can do a selection of gears. For auto, you can also choose by dropping to "3" (unless if you are travelling beyond 100km/h). Then again, I don't see the need for engine braking at high speed. It's more for travelling downslope (e.g. from Genting downslope) and you'd usually engage 2 for the engine braking to prevent burnt out of your brake pads.
As for knowing which gear you r in, I am seriously wondering why would anyone want to know which gear they are in for Auto. In the event it's a MUST KNOW, there is also a gear indicator which can be installed.
Cheers
Be it manual or auto, check ur tacho & speedo, u should be able to tell the gear u r in..no
need for fancyful gadets..
For me, i listen to the sound of the engine..
need for fancyful gadets..
For me, i listen to the sound of the engine..
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