if i'm not wrong however, on another point altogether
if your photographs have defamatory content and taken without particular subject's permission
you are liable for a lawsuit.
then again, almost anything can be twisted into something defamatory, if you have a lawyer good enough. possibly why most people like to avoid trouble.
but i might be wrong. of course this probably does not apply to shops and commercial activities. more of privacy issues. for example, i use a 600mm lens to shoot the hot girl in the next block showering. it is a pity for her that she didn't pull the shower curtain shut properly. am i technically allowed to take? probably yes, it is her private property or her parents' private property but i am sitting in my own place and well, she can be seen from anywhere public. do you think the police is going to entertain your argument though? :dunno:
It seems to me that from the responses that I have received so far, most people will choose to be more considerate even when legally they have the rights. This is a bit of surprise to me in a place like Singapore when everything are going by the book and follow the law to the dot. I guess this forum has a group of very considerate photographers and I am glad I have a chance to exchange view points with you all.
This word wins all. :thumbsup:In short, don't force the issue. You don't need that shot for your next paycheque, do you?
Thanks for the clarifications. I can understand what the real concerns the store has with the displays' IP right.
I think the rights within the store is quite clear. The grey area is when someone shooting from the street at the display windows, does the shop has legal rights to ask the person to stop?
its rich people like you that spoil the image of photographer in sg, showing off your big as* camera, thats why sg have such poor image of photographer.
Morally, you are right but legally, as I have mentioned above, if I am standing in the street, there is no law preventing me from taking a photo of your wife or girlfriend.
If you are in a public place, yes, you have the "legal" right to take photo of my wife or girlfriend, with note that they are also in a public place, e.g. you take photo of my gf / wife while she's shopping in orchard. But you will lose your "legal" rights as soon as I, as the "owner" of my gf or wife, disallow you to do so, even if it is in public place.
However, you have NO rights to take photo of my gf / wife if she is NOT in a public place, even if you ARE in a public place. For example, my gf / wife standing by the window of my flat, and you are outside the flat.
Yes, there is no real legal law on this, but I think we have to respect someone's right over what he owns.
I rest my case.
My two cents.
Yes, there is no real legal law on this, but I think we have to respect someone's right over what he owns.
I disagree. Maybe yes, there is no law here which specifically says about taking photo of someone's belonging. But in US and Europe, you can be sued till the kingdom come if you don't really observe the law that protects the full right of an owner to something he owns.
If your object is still underage you have to ask permission of his / her parents if you want to take a series of photos of him / her. It's because his / her parents are the lawfull "owner" of their child until they reach a certain age. For example some countries limit this at 18 yo, but there are also countries that limit this at 13 yo, like in many of the latin american countries. (So if you wants to shoot a lot of lolitas, you know where to go)
If you are in a public place, yes, you have the "legal" right to take photo of my wife or girlfriend, with note that they are also in a public place, e.g. you take photo of my gf / wife while she's shopping in orchard. But you will lose your "legal" rights as soon as I, as the "owner" of my gf or wife, disallow you to do so, even if it is in public place.
However, you have NO rights to take photo of my gf / wife if she is NOT in a public place, even if you ARE in a public place. For example, my gf / wife standing by the window of my flat, and you are outside the flat.
Yes, there is no real legal law on this, but I think we have to respect someone's right over what he owns.
I rest my case.
My two cents.
To my understanding, the "No Photography" doesn't mean you can't take picture. However, not to picture THEIR PRODUCTS.
Basically the products (ice cream, t-shirts, mugs or whatever) are the intellectual properties of the designers. The shop who are handling the items is suppose to protect them on their behave. That is the purpose of "no photography"
However, the shop keeper should not stop you from taking pictures. So unless he is stopping you from taking the products, he has NO RIGHTS to stop you from photographing anything else. Moreover, the intellectual property right is protecting against any profitable gain. If you are keeping it solely for personal record it should have no problem of that.
If TS don't mind, I would like to share my experience here...
I send both my children to infant care and child care and have been shooting them in there regularly, especially on events. I also shot the other kids as well and I always print a copy for the parents, whom always thank me for the pictures.
One day, I arrived at the infant care earlier to pick up my child and intended to take some shots for record purpose. Saw a child in a nice position and smiling so I took a shot. However, the care giver told me nicely that I should not take picture of other child except my own. She must be new there
I saw the child's mother standing nearby and I showed her the picture. She seems glad on the picture taken. Then I did it.... I told her :"see, this is delete button. I pressed this, there... deleted. Sorry, didn't know not allowed to take other child's pictures."
The mother gave the care giver a ^%@$^%$# look
The care giver was probably doing her job in telling me not to take other child's picture, as part of the centre's rules. I was just trying to tell her in a different way the consequences of following the rules blindly....