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I'd like to apologise to both +evenstar and theonenonly for my trolling and rash behaviour. This will be my last post in this thread. I'd like to iterate the fact that ZC's situation is now one in which he has thrown the first punch, and is trying to ask for peace when people punch back...

You seem to know a little too much about bikinis for a heterosexual male. have you been spending too much time wearing them?......just kidding of course (yuks)

First of all, ZC, you ARE an idiot, a nincompoop, and a moron. For example, if i were to visit a prostitute, and decided to spend the duration of her services having a long fulfilling discussion on victorian literature with her instead, have i been cheated??? I have merely customised the product...

I'd like to thank Wolfgang for his diplomacy. And everyone else for their contributions, I agree that my opinions have been overly forceful. I hope my bluntness has not offended anyone. I still wish that more people could be like mattlock! :bsmilie: And as for deadpoet's remark about...

Let's continue tomorrow.

Is it truly of no concern to us? Will you call yourself a part of this community when there are those who choose to abuse the priveleges it gives you?

Once again, before anyone else asks for the umpteenth time. Not Demand//Supply. Ethics. Will you count yourself among the CSers who join private nude/bikini/etc shoots for the skin-fest, but are unwilling to admit it? Intead they blemish the good name of clubsnap by calling themselves...

Thats exactly what i'm not talking about. Im not talking about the market, the demand, or the supply. I'm talking about ethics.

Go do it. I'm not stopping you. If you're genuine, it will show! :) If you are not, it's also plainly obvious! And i see many are not....

No fuss! Just remarking on the ethical climate that this little community is precipitating.

It is an interesting point and i'm glad you brought it up. Yes it is a pic of a sexy gal, and yes i like to look at it. It turns me on. And i would like everyone to be as bluntly honest as my last sentence was.

Must i spell it out? Heh. :)

Do you understand my point or are you just dense? It is NOT about the demand and supply. It is a question of ethics. Will you allow yourself to be called among the same people who attend these shoots?

Many will blindly defend, but the truth is staring us in the face, there are CSers who are among us just for the skin. I hope one ore two will make a stand here and face up to some scrutiny.

Good question. I'm sure nothing will stop a man from joining a nude workshop with a camera phone or something similar. But my intention is to remark upon how men who model themselves as photography entusiasts attend the sleazy shoots and feel justified. The umbrella brigade will freely admit...

My patronage or lack thereof of red-light districts is not the topic of discussion. My intention is to shed some brutally honest light on this matter. I think you understand what i mean. And i will not tolerate finger pointing, my porcine accuser.

I'm not talking about TFCD. I like honestly, and so far, no one has admitted that guys are just horny. What i don't understand is why must a model subject be a sexy babe? Can't it be the kachang puteh man? Or the can-smashing-recycling old lady? Why not pay them? I only see bikini shoots, nude...

Rubbish. I'm sure your friends won't charge a hundred bucks if you ask them out to the beach on a sunny day. As for the nude part, there are less sleazy alternatives to a red-light district studio or a hotel room. Honestly, you can't be so narrow minded. Jose.

Well, honestly, some of the model pics i've seen (i won't point fingers) don't really convey the model's professionalism... Besides I'm not trying to stop people from doing it. I just don't understand..... Jose.

Then shoot your friends! Save the $$ for equipment. Jose.