What Made you choose the Panasonic GF1 or Olympus Pen?

[tomcat]

What about the panny 20mm f1.7 lens? Do Panansonic did the same? :dunno:

The Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is a much better designed lens than the 14-45mm kit lens... probably why Leica dare to put their name to it. Images from this lens look good even on my E-P1 and E-P2.

But Panasonic has also used software correction to make the images from this lens look better. This is described in detail in dpreview's review of this lens where they compare the use of this lens on the G1 and the E-P1...
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_20_1p7_o20/page3.asp

So the morale of the story here is that Panasonic lenses perform the best on Panasonic camera bodies as long as the users do not delude themselves into thinking that the true optical quality of their Panasonic lenses are really that good

 

[tomcat]

TomCat, are Panasonic lenses really that bad? I thought they were quite reasonable but made better with Panasonic's trickery/wizardry. Edit: Wow say that post - it's really quite bad isnt it! Going to try another developer for my LX-3 raw pics...

I did that already with my D-Lux 4... shocked and disappointed me totally.

Put the camera into the 'cold palace' after that.

 

[LifeWorld]

Unfortunately the fat guy attended to me. I went into the shop, and the lady there looked at me, and i look back at her. And she too didn't bother much. Quite saddened about their approach, that i could not even ask anyone, i went to AMK Hub to try instead. In the end, i go inside there, really "best" service. 2 Ah bengs, 1 happily watching TV, the other attending to customer. So i waited, then another man came into the shop, the Ah beng immediately stopped watching TV. The man asked me if i needed anything politely. I told him my experience over the other store and how the people treat a customer. He apologized and he called up the other side and enquired what had happened. He was the boss of MS colour. For both shops i believe. He didn't have much manfrotto tripods in display over at AMK hub, so he asked if i would like to go back to the other store to take a look. He even gave me a name to look for.

Went back, i went to find the person. This time another lady. Quite friendly, she said she doesn't deal with manfrotto or benro tripods, but rather gitzo. That's when she refered me to that guy. He just couldn't be bothered. Lit his cigarette and smoke direct into my face, like i owe him something. I just walked away.

Maybe Singaporean camera shops think they are just too great. Bunch of losers.

Even cathay photo asks what you want. Though not polite, but at least they ASK!

I don't even treat my own customers like this. Quite a sad thing.

Oh mine! MSColor service has gone so bad these days. Looking back during their small little crampy shop days at AMK hawker area, Florence gave very good service. Even serve drink! That was the Lumix FZ20 era...........
Now, she didnt bother to reply my equote request.......... Send three times, no response on Nikon products.........

Hope the boss read this forum and get them to buckup! :thumbsd:

 

[Ninja23XX]

Oh mine! MSColor service has gone so bad these days. Looking back during their small little crampy shop days at AMK hawker area, Florence gave very good service. Even serve drink! That was the Lumix FZ20 era...........
Now, she didnt bother to reply my equote request.......... Send three times, no response on Nikon products.........

Hope the boss read this forum and get them to buckup! :thumbsd:

Yupp, they don't really care anymore. Maybe too rich. 2 stores, so can have "Bo Chap" Attitude.

 

[spidey89]

Raychan,the m43 is still a very young system,back then,when the E-system came out,it was just E-1,14-54,50-200,FL-50R,300,50 macro and EC14,and look where it is now,with time,I'm sure they will release more high grade stuff

 

[powergoo]

I dont know what's the objective of Panny taking the step of "in cam" correction.
But to the target mass market, I guess it serves the needs well, since 80% at least shoots jpegs.

Finally it's for us to decide the best tool! Does anyone know if olympus do not have 'in camera' correction? So if I use the Pany 14-45...it 'll come out 'uncorrected'? dont seem to be so for OOC jpg. Pics looks good..no barrell distortion etc.

As for the kit lens 14-45 panny vs 14-42 Oly, i very much prefer & got the panny.

 

[ziggy]

I am quite sure that Pansonic is not the only one to use software to correct lens distortion. This is necessary to keep cost low while improving performance. Great glass is never cheap and not many are willing to spend that kind of $$.

The good thing abt MFT is that it can use all kinds of glass. You decide what is your quality and handling expectations and how much you are willing to spend.

 

[Randius]

I dont know what's the objective of Panny taking the step of "in cam" correction.
But to the target mass market, I guess it serves the needs well, since 80% at least shoots jpegs.

Finally it's for us to decide the best tool! Does anyone know if olympus do not have 'in camera' correction? So if I use the Pany 14-45...it 'll come out 'uncorrected'? dont seem to be so for OOC jpg. Pics looks good..no barrell distortion etc.

As for the kit lens 14-45 panny vs 14-42 Oly, i very much prefer & got the panny.

Olympus also does in-camera correction. The effect of correction is better when the matching lens is used.

 

[Rurouni]

Since we're talking about both cameras, any idea when Cathay is going to restock the EP2 or GF1?

 

[samcklee]

I did that already with my D-Lux 4... shocked and disappointed me totally.

Put the camera into the 'cold palace' after that.

Hi Tomcat,

so you mean u tested the Panny 20mm/1.7 on your oly pen and the effect is is not ask good??

I was thinking of selling my GF1 and get the e-p2 or p1 while keeping my 20mm for it..... did anyone know whether how's the performance of the Pen camera and Panny 20mm pancake combination?

if have problem then maybe I will sell the panny also can get everything oly..... cannot tahan the GF1 liao and BS itchy liao.

sam

 

[magicdragon]

Those pictures are from the Leica D-Lux4 (a cousin of the Panasonic DMC-LX3). He was illustrating the diff between jpeg and raw using another raw converter.

 

[tomcat]

Hi Tomcat,

so you mean u tested the Panny 20mm/1.7 on your oly pen and the effect is is not ask good??

I was thinking of selling my GF1 and get the e-p2 or p1 while keeping my 20mm for it..... did anyone know whether how's the performance of the Pen camera and Panny 20mm pancake combination?

if have problem then maybe I will sell the panny also can get everything oly..... cannot tahan the GF1 liao and BS itchy liao.

sam

Like magicdragon said, that comparison was for the D-Lux 4 and not about the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7.

As for the 20mm f/1.7, according to dpreview's lens review of the 20mm f/1.7, they said that it is much sharper, has lower chromatic aberration than the Olympus 17mm f/2.8.
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_20_1p7_o20/page3.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews...izontal&&config=LensReviewConfiguration.xml?2

I have both the Panasonic 20mm and Olympus 17mm. Testing both on the E-P2, it would appear to me that the Panasonic 20mm is indeed sharper and has less chromatic aberration than the Olympus 17mm. The Panasonic is also more contrasty than the Olympus.

If you need a standard fast prime, I would suggest that you keep the Panasonic 20mm even if you want to switch over to the E-P2.

 

[arrowtown]

Yupp, they don't really care anymore. Maybe too rich. 2 stores, so can have "Bo Chap" Attitude.

my group of cam kakis all boycott MS shops. no longer buy or enquiry from them. why waste time and $$ on shops who have no interest in customers' enquiry / needs. :thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:

 

[tomcat]

This is a comparison of how 20mm performs when used on both the E-P2 and GF1.

E-P2
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/335/256/html/ph003.jpg.html

GF1
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/335/256/html/ph004.jpg.html

There is no purple fringing in the GF1 shot because of in-camera correction.
Can see a little purple fringing on the left and right side of the E-P2 image but the colour and image quality seems a bit better also.

A full comparison between the GF1 and E-P2 here... except it's in Japanese
... but can just look at the photos if don't know Japanese.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/review/special/20091211_335256.html

Look at the comparison of the view thru the 2 EVFs

 

[magicdragon]

Tomcat,

Very nice digging. I assume these are jpeg files (I don't read japanese). Olympus seems to have a clear advantage here. No regrets going back to Olympus now. Only thing is I wish their software (Master 2) was as simple as Silkypix. Maybe I cough up the money for a full version of Silkypix (to enable EP-2 RAW pictures to be processed). You think that's a good idea or are there better RAW converters for the EP-2 RAW files/pictures?

 

[nightpiper]

w
There is no purple fringing in the GF1 shot because of in-camera correction.
Can see a little purple fringing on the left and right side of the E-P2 image but the colour and image quality seems a bit better also.

Thx for the links U The Man!!

I'm not too sure if the IQ of Oly is really better, the info at the bottom corner says: EP2 has a compensation of -0.3EV whereas Panny has a +0.3 compensation, juz to keep the exposure at the same 1/320s, which incidentally, cud have been caused by a moving cloud covering the sky or something. AWB also plays a role in the look of the image here. I'm looking at it with a pinch of salt. There r many users claiming the GF1 has very good IQ comparable, if not better than EP2

 

[tomcat]

Thx for the links U The Man!!

I'm not too sure if the IQ of Oly is really better, the info at the bottom corner says: EP2 has a compensation of -0.3EV whereas Panny has a +0.3 compensation, juz to keep the exposure at the same 1/320s, which incidentally, cud have been caused by a moving cloud covering the sky or something. AWB also plays a role in the look of the image here. I'm looking at it with a pinch of salt. There r many users claiming the GF1 has very good IQ comparable, if not better than EP2

I don't really care very much about the out-of-camera jpeg colours too as I always shoot in RAW and changes the colours during raw conversion and subsequent post processing to something very different from the original Panasonic or Olympus colours to suit my own preference. But this comparison by dc.watch would probably be a lot more useful to those who only shoot jpeg and don't like to do any further post processing afterwards.

 

[Hitman]

::drum roll:: Most popular interchangeable lens camera of 2009 in Japan is....

.... not the GF-1

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/special/20091225_339663.html

 

[chuanzuya]

Woohoo!

 

[coolsigg]

if have problem then maybe I will sell the panny also can get everything oly..... cannot tahan the GF1 liao and BS itchy liao.

can share why u cannot tahan the GF1? wad's wrong? :think: