Olmpus E-300 or Canon 350D?
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I just bought an Olympus E-1.
Yes I know that it is 5mp, and I am aware of the news/rumours about a replacement next year. I am aware of the noise etc.
And I have also a big array of Canon lenses.
But I chose the E-1. Could have bought a Canon 20D body. But I chose the E-1.
Why? I hate the noise of the shutter in 20D. Surreptious shooting is difficult, having been used to the leica M. The E-1 is quiet. And the E300 also. I do not like the 350D. Just felt like a toy in my hands. I am not criticising the ability of these cameras to make good pictures at all.
Over the years, I have grown to know how I photograph. I do not like very wide, nor do I like very long tele. I had found out that 90% of my photography is done with focal lengths bewteen 35-80mm. Occasionally I use a very long lens, and occasionally I use a very wide lens. But I could live very happily without those lenses.
So my kit lens stay permanently on my E-1. No changing lenses. No dust. Quiet. Nice colors. I learn to work within the limits of the lens. Simplicity.
I love the E-1.
Yes I know that it is 5mp, and I am aware of the news/rumours about a replacement next year. I am aware of the noise etc.
And I have also a big array of Canon lenses.
But I chose the E-1. Could have bought a Canon 20D body. But I chose the E-1.
Why? I hate the noise of the shutter in 20D. Surreptious shooting is difficult, having been used to the leica M. The E-1 is quiet. And the E300 also. I do not like the 350D. Just felt like a toy in my hands. I am not criticising the ability of these cameras to make good pictures at all.
Over the years, I have grown to know how I photograph. I do not like very wide, nor do I like very long tele. I had found out that 90% of my photography is done with focal lengths bewteen 35-80mm. Occasionally I use a very long lens, and occasionally I use a very wide lens. But I could live very happily without those lenses.
So my kit lens stay permanently on my E-1. No changing lenses. No dust. Quiet. Nice colors. I learn to work within the limits of the lens. Simplicity.
I love the E-1.
cnyee74 said:
Answer is very simple, too good to let go... :bsmilie: :embrass:
BTW I even got the things that U required... :bsmilie:
Hi,
most people goes for brands. But remember this, most DSLR perform not because of the brand, but the photographer. 350D came after Pentax make the smallest DSLR, *ist Ds. Same for Nikon D50. Maybe you could consider it. go test the cameras, its always good to play the cameras to see which is more suitable for you.
most people goes for brands. But remember this, most DSLR perform not because of the brand, but the photographer. 350D came after Pentax make the smallest DSLR, *ist Ds. Same for Nikon D50. Maybe you could consider it. go test the cameras, its always good to play the cameras to see which is more suitable for you.
student said:
Please refer to the last post of page 1 of this thread, U should who is tomcat liao.
tomcat said:
HEY.. Thats my pics... hehe....
iso 1600 noise is pretty ok, as long as shadows are not too much and too deep... they print out very nicely....
Hi student,
Just to share my experiences. I've used the E-1 too. Its a great all purpose camera. It feels good too. I was using it for a few months until I gave it back to the owner and bought a Canon. Moral of the story: Its bad to listen to salespeople who gives you advice on what camera suits your needs. Worst still, salespeople who suddenly become your financial planner. Its weird how I got influenced into buying the Canon. I have always loved the Nikon and Olympus cameras I've owned before. Oh well, I have grown to love my camera.
Sorry to OT, I guess for now, the 350D seems like a better choice if you're looking for something small, cute, solid and has a wide range of lenses to choose from. When I say wide, I didnt include being cost-effective. If you're looking for alternatives, there's other third party lenses to look for too. To be honest, Canon lenses are not cheap. The good ones I mean. Noise? Well, that depends on how you want your noise to look like. I have friends who love noisy cameras. Go look up at www.dpreview.com to see which noise suits you better.
Hope that helps. cheers!
Just to share my experiences. I've used the E-1 too. Its a great all purpose camera. It feels good too. I was using it for a few months until I gave it back to the owner and bought a Canon. Moral of the story: Its bad to listen to salespeople who gives you advice on what camera suits your needs. Worst still, salespeople who suddenly become your financial planner. Its weird how I got influenced into buying the Canon. I have always loved the Nikon and Olympus cameras I've owned before. Oh well, I have grown to love my camera.
Sorry to OT, I guess for now, the 350D seems like a better choice if you're looking for something small, cute, solid and has a wide range of lenses to choose from. When I say wide, I didnt include being cost-effective. If you're looking for alternatives, there's other third party lenses to look for too. To be honest, Canon lenses are not cheap. The good ones I mean. Noise? Well, that depends on how you want your noise to look like. I have friends who love noisy cameras. Go look up at www.dpreview.com to see which noise suits you better.
Hope that helps. cheers!
Merciless_Knight said:Please refer to the last post of page 1 of this thread, U should who is tomcat liao.
Ah, thanks.
Mr Chia.
Unfortunately I am not worthy to be tomcat's successor. Allergic to cats. And the only fish I like are those on my plate!
But I hope we can be fellow students together!
hazmee said:
Yes, never listen to sales people. In fact I handled/borrowed these cameras before I decided to get the E-1. D70, D2H, 1Ds, 20D, 350D, 7D, E-300. Did not try the pentax. Just cannot tolerate the stupid name. Cannot even pronounce it!
My first experience with DSLR was the D30. Never like it! The only thing I did with the D30 was to try to use the camera in crazy ways. My preferred medium for photography is still black & white traditional photography using comtemplative large format dinosaur type approaches. But there are limitations in any camera systems. So for fun streets shoots, I think the E-1 is perfect. I had made beautiful 8x10 prints straight from the camera with only slight contrast changes. Colors are lovely. The E-1 IS QUIET! Really a pleasure to use. I do not see myself buying another lens for the E-1.
I am very much on my digital learning curve. Having fun. But one day, I may become really serious and get a 1DsMkII to keep my canon lenses happy!
cnyee74 said:Hi, plan to upgrade to DSLR but dunno which one to choose need advice.
One question to ask is whether you want to buy a more or less complete camera outfit in a short time, or whether you want to buy into a system where you can add/replace items.
To take Canon as an example (similar things apply for the N, P, and M brands), the lenses and many accessories are fairly stable and interchangeable across different generations. You can buy a body with a starter lens now, add another lens in two years time, and most likely replace the body when it finally wears out and keep using your existing lenses.
The "four thirds system" doesn't have much of a track record yet. But Olympus had at least two generations of DSLRs before the four thirds system, and accessories like add-on lenses were incompatible with each new generation. While I hope that the four thirds system will be stable, I don't trust Olympus too much in this respect.
Whether you consider stability of a system important or not is entirely up to you, of course.
LittleWolf said:
Add-on Lenses is not compatible with the new generation??? I dun find it so.
the most funniest part how can a total manual lens (OM Mount) compare to a motor driven Zuiko Digital Lens (Four Third Mount). :dunno:
As for Others C, N & M slower progress there technology by slowly evolve they body and lenses progressly. And slowly discontinue the Lenses that U dun even know it... :bigeyes:
cnyee74 said:
Sorry, I like my System so much, I dun Sell it. Up to now my system dun give me any problem at all. I got once which is happen to my fault cos I am unfamiliarise with the DSLR/SLR functionality. :embrass:
Everyday can learn things with it. :sweatsm:
LittleWolf said:
I have a very nice computer, capable of doing very fanciful things, At the end, I found out that I used it only for emails, internet browsing, and writing reports. I do not use more than 10% of what the computer is capable of.
There is no question that if one consider "system" , there are only two worth talking about - Nikon and Canon. I have a very, very, good array of Canon equipment, but at the end, I chose the E-1. Because it serves my purpose well. I had also seriously considered the 7D, but did not like the shutter noise.
I feel that the most important thing is whether the equipment serves one's purpose. The danger/temptation will be "Is it flexible? What if I want to do this or that in future?" There is no end to such "what if?"
Apart from very specialised genres of photography like extreme wildlife or macro, the history of photography tells us that most great photographs were made with lenses from moderate wide to moderate tele.
student said:
actually, the four-thirds is not dat rare a system. both kodak and oly have signed on to it, and there are some 4-3 lenses being rolled out in USA (read in an issue of photographic.com 2-3 mths back). tho, its been slow coming to singapore, i guess.
here's more info on the system.
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/index_01.htm
doc - heehee.... welcome to the digital age! tho... i thot u'll rather go for the epson RD-1?
nightwolf75 said:doc - heehee.... welcome to the digital age! tho... i thot u'll rather go for the epson RD-1?
I like your phrase "coming to the digital age".
My main reason?
Platinum prints, something as ancient as the dawn of photography. I still think there are few images as beautiful as a platinum prints. What is the connection? Platinum prints are contact prints, and therefore the size of the negative must be the size of the final image. While I can and do photograph with an 11x14 inch camera, this is understandly cumbersome, although the tonality and details will outperform any 22mp sensors by a wide, wide, wide margin. But spontaneity will always be compromised. So people have resorted to using smaller cameras, 35 mm of medium format, and then enlarge the smaller negatives to the required size. Unfortunately, the best film for this has been discontinued, a 25ASA Kodak continuous copy film. Even when I, together with others, promised Kodak to buy 1000 boxes, Kodak still would not make a run. The alternative by Bergger do not have the tonality. I am experimenting with another 25 ASA film from Macophot.
But increasingly it may be possible to make negatives digitally. Digital negatives have been available for a couple of years, but good ones are very expensive, and made only by high end providers. But the home inkjet is coming of age. And it is envisioned that in a few years, the digital negatives can be as good as the Kodak ones.
So there you are. My ulterior motive! And oh, before anyone says that one can dial "platinum" in PS, and produce a "platinum" print, it will not work!
Meanwhile, I had just given myself a birthday present of an old converted 4x5 rangefinder. The Epson RD-1 will not do!
Merciless_Knight said:
I'm not talking about the OM system - may it rest in peace - but previous generations of Olympus DSLRs, like the C1400 series and the E10/20 series. While equipped with fixed lenses, they were marketed as "systems", with accessories like expensive tele/wide angle convertors that couldn't be used on newer generation cameras.
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