I disagree partially with this statement. However, generally, some men find women more pleasing to look at (compare to their male counterparts). Not all men are visual and some woman are more visual. I find both men and women beautiful in different aspect, hence "better" subjects differ depending on what you want to achieve (male can make very good subjects too). As for better photographers, i feel both has unique strong points - in nature or nuture. There is no such "better" photographer when it comes to gender.
Men are better Photographer and Women better subject.
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I disagree partially with this statement. However, generally, some men find women more pleasing to look at (compare to their male counterparts). Not all men are visual and some woman are more visual. I find both men and women beautiful in different aspect, hence "better" subjects differ depending on what you want to achieve (male can make very good subjects too). As for better photographers, i feel both has unique strong points - in nature or nuture. There is no such "better" photographer when it comes to gender.
You have tunnel vision.
Don't just looking at model shoots, and pose and portraits subforum, you will have a better view.
There is a world outside.
There are fa
Hey guys, I dunno but are we like distorting the TS's statement. Dun think he is saying "ALL good photographers are men and ALL good subjects are women". Rather, he is trying to do a comparison whether each gender has their own strong points. I think that some arguements here like talking about some good female photographers and good male subjects(models i presume) are sort of out of point. It is like saying "I know some caucasians that speak good chinese", but it doesn't mean that this will void the statment "Chinese people speak better chinese". So rather than spotting single minute cases which will not prove a whole population, we should use general infomation and make specific arguements from them.
And so, regarding women being better subjects, I think that is true, because humans percieve them to be. No matter how hard we try to remove this discriminating nature in human through propaganda or intergration, this historical culture of treating women as "objects" is still eerily haunting many humans' subconcious minds. Try to do a search on "women as objects", there are quite alot of debate going on in the internet. However, no matter what the results of the debate are, the very fact that this debate exist already proves something dissapointing about how man view women as. However, i believe this is something that will burn off with time and dissappear.
And about men being better photographer, well........... i tell you, i try so hard to get my sisters into photography but they just aren't interested. So it might not be so much of whether men are better, but whether MOST women are interested anot. Is like asking whether men make better childcare teachers-they might be, but most of them aren't interested. And those females in CS right now, hee hee, you are those lucky ones that understand the beauty and enjoyment of photography.
Hello Satay:
You are one smart guy, you can read my mind before I speak.
One of surest way to protect the Rights and dignity of a woman, is to openly discuss and debate on this issue of inequality. I hope we all have a receptive mind when debating this topic. No one has to agree with anyone, just make your statement and let others have an insightful reading.
To the rest, please direct the arrows to me. I am the one who made the statement.
hi, i see what you're getting at, but i still feel we need to look closer at this.
equal doesn't have to mean identical. just because men and women are different doesn't mean that there can't be equality.
there are lots of difference between men and women, but which of these are innate to men and women, and which of these have been programmed into us by the society and norms we're immersed in? as long as we don't examine these differences and think about why they're there, instead of just taking them for granted, we will perpetuate the sort of lazy thinking that keeps stereotypes in place.
yes, there's something sexist about seeing women as the WEAKER sex, and wanting to jump in to defend them. but some of us who have "jumped in" here aren't defending women, we're just pointing out issues with the premise put forth. the only weak things here are some of the arguments being used.
Whoever started this thread obviously doesn't know much about photography and the important photographers in the world. (which include alot of women.)
And I have seen many more women who shoot much better than men.
And I have seen many more women who shoot much better than men.
well, nothing surprising here
My addition $0.02.
I really don't care if a man or a woman is the better photographer. The better photographer is the one that creates the better image, whatever that may be.
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If priest can fly, priest takes bullet train.
All those who study Japanese know such ancient wisdom. :bsmilie:
firstly, i never claimed myself as deep, its ur perception tat i did.. i said less shallow...read!! if less shallow=deep, would less stupid=smart?
i never doubted ur photography abilities and if such makes u better then many females..good for u.. for that many females who prefers to be in front of the camera without the reasons i mentioned.. perhaps i'm a frog in the well..
i apologise tat my statement disturbed u.. by i stand by my point that men who fall in love through looks are shallow, like u, its jus my perception..try telling a girl tat u like her cos she's beautiful... and as she age, does it mean ur love fades away? anyway, never intended to put u off producing the images u are capable of...
Well, like wat u say... making a statement based on generalisation w/o anything to backup is dangerous dont u think... so can i generalise and claim that ppl of clubsnap know nuts abt the art (myself included) by the postings i see here ( no punt intended ppl, jus an analogy).
Anyway, jus questioning the threadstarter here..if u don't mind..
no worries u guys can grill him all u want... poor guy.
wat is wrong with telling / thinking that a woman is (physically) beautiful? why is that shallow? i NEVER said anything about LIKING or LOVING them. i am PHOTOPGRAPHING them. HELLO???
these aren't assumptions already. u're putting words where they dun belong and contorting them to make ur statement.
Woman here, and gotta admit you understand women well. ha. :thumbsup: Less shallow than some guys indeed.
Hello Wisp:
Haha, I read your post before you deleted it. It is ok, my friend. You've got a point to make, then make it big. It is good that we all communicate our feelings here, let people understand and see things from another perspective.
Why, got caught in between the fences, not sure which side to fall on? Haha.
Yes, I consider it a good job, because this stupidest and weakest argument can still draw comments from a highly intellect like you.
Are you sure, we are all equal? In what sense?
wah seh, so smoky in here, since when the thread become debate on male-female equality?
1. man and woman are never equal, because man is not woman and woman is not man. (this is OT)
2. there is no such thing as a man being a better photographer than a woman.
3. there is no such thing as a woman being a better subject for photography than man.
paiseh, airplane is faster than bullet train and airplane ticket is cheaper than bullet train ticket :angel: :bsmilie:
1. man and woman are never equal, because man is not woman and woman is not man. (this is OT)
2. there is no such thing as a man being a better photographer than a woman.
3. there is no such thing as a woman being a better subject for photography than man.
paiseh, airplane is faster than bullet train and airplane ticket is cheaper than bullet train ticket :angel: :bsmilie:
Ahhh....
My current favorite photographer is Sarah Moon.
But wait........ I think tomorrow it will be Anton Corbjin.
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