Leica INSANE SG pricing..
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Haha thanks!
Let's also hope that Fuji supports me should something go wrong with the X-T2 cameras I'm thinking about using for work.
So far so good. Wrote an email to Fuji to ask why they gave us 126 batteries with our X-T2 pre-orders (was more wondering if they were safe to use since they get SOO HOT) and the next day got an email apology and a mass SMS to everyone to swap out the batteries for 126S batteries... That's phenomenal service!
I personally do not buy from Leica Sg. After dealing with them a couple of times, they just didn't convince me to spend on them. I had rather poor service experience with a used m9 i bought, and also a few incidents that happened with my friends that made me feel that their service is simply not up to standard. Besides that, i do have the same feeling as Adam that they only cherish those customers who will buy from them with no question ask. If that's the kind of customers they are after, sorry to say that i rather put my money well spend on other sellers.
As for fuji, i had a fair share of experience with them. After sales service is improving, but you may still experience some hiccups here and there occasionally. That's fine as long as things were resolved in the end. I sold away all my fuji gears when I bumped into some limitation which i was not able to overcome easily, that's just my personal problem by the way. Fuji cameras are pretty decent in producing good results if you know how to deal with the x trans sensor, which can be tricky. My only "issue" with fuji is their community and staffs who always brand bashing in order to make their products look better. I don't see why is there a need to do so, but that really irritates me. Another issue with fuji sg is also their pricing, which can be ridiculous as compared to other region too. They try to "compensate" by giving free gifts that you probably won't use/need in order to offset the value and make you feel that the camera is cheap. That being said, if you hunt down local used market you do can get very good bargain at times to build up your system quickly.
I am still searching for another system to hop on when eventually my M goes on holiday. Just hope that things will be smooth when it happens...
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As for fuji, i had a fair share of experience with them. After sales service is improving, but you may still experience some hiccups here and there occasionally. That's fine as long as things were resolved in the end. I sold away all my fuji gears when I bumped into some limitation which i was not able to overcome easily, that's just my personal problem by the way. Fuji cameras are pretty decent in producing good results if you know how to deal with the x trans sensor, which can be tricky. My only "issue" with fuji is their community and staffs who always brand bashing in order to make their products look better. I don't see why is there a need to do so, but that really irritates me. Another issue with fuji sg is also their pricing, which can be ridiculous as compared to other region too. They try to "compensate" by giving free gifts that you probably won't use/need in order to offset the value and make you feel that the camera is cheap. That being said, if you hunt down local used market you do can get very good bargain at times to build up your system quickly.
I am still searching for another system to hop on when eventually my M goes on holiday. Just hope that things will be smooth when it happens...
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Interesting points on Fuji. I actually wondered that a bit too, why price high and give gifts. And also why bash other companies to make your company look better (Leica does this too BTW). Math wise $2600 for X-T2 but give two $90 batteries and a bunch of other things I won't use. So really it's $2420 per unit. In USA (might not be the cheapest around) the pricing is $2170 sgd no gifts. So $250 difference which isn't really fair, but if you add the 7% sales tax to the $2170 amount it does bring the prices closer. Still not fair, but better then Leica by far
Anyway, I've tried everything so if you've got questions or needs you're welcome to msg me and we can discuss the pros and cons of each system. Save you from having to do what I did, which is buy and test everything
And who knows with me, I might not stick with Fuji. I might go back to where I started all these years ago with a Canon setup. But for now I'll give the Fuji a fair shot. And will use whatever Leica gear I have left for fun, until it all sells.
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Interesting points on Fuji. I actually wondered that a bit too, why price high and give gifts. And also why bash other companies to make your company look better (Leica does this too BTW). Math wise $2600 for X-T2 but give two $90 batteries and a bunch of other things I won't use. So really it's $2420 per unit. In USA (might not be the cheapest around) the pricing is $2170 sgd no gifts. So $250 difference which isn't really fair, but if you add the 7% sales tax to the $2170 amount it does bring the prices closer. Still not fair, but better then Leica by far
Anyway, I've tried everything so if you've got questions or needs you're welcome to msg me and we can discuss the pros and cons of each system. Save you from having to do what I did, which is buy and test everything
And who knows with me, I might not stick with Fuji. I might go back to where I started all these years ago with a Canon setup. But for now I'll give the Fuji a fair shot. And will use whatever Leica gear I have left for fun, until it all sells.
Spend sometime with your fuji. There're a lot to love (and hate
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apologies, adamdewilde. i understand your intention to benefit the Leica community here in Singapore, and i understand some of the frustration in your expectations on their service, exacerbated by some unfortunate demand and supply movements. while there would be less of an issue chatting about prices, mark-ups, price-differentials, product quality, service quality, etc... unfortunately, parts of your post have come across as rants calling out individuals, going beyond facts to speculate and insinuate on their intentions. for which, i have to draw the line.
unfortunately, there is no way for me to appropriately / fairly edit your post, as such, i have deleted your post (parts still remain in the quote above).
however, the thread remains open.
Totally understandable (as to not discredit this topic, I'd just like to state I have quite a few emails back and forth as proof of their intentions). But my post was more meant to serve as a way to explain that anyone else who has felt cheated over the years isn't alone. Nothing really more then that.
And of course I wanted to note there are quite a number of really awesome and reasonable dealers in HK who just wanna make a living. And quite a few of them actually really love Leica gear and shoot the streets of HK quite often (HK is an interesting place to shoot street work for those who haven't been!).
I wonder if this sort of price gouging thing doesn't extend to other luxury goods? Rolex, Ferrari, etc.
You might fall off your seat if you find out how much a normal car costs here, let alone a Ferrari. Let's just say the prices are eye-watering. A big house in Mountain View Ca can probably be bought for what we pay for a Ferrari here.
One thing about differential pricing that it's sadly always based geographically but we do have the final choice to make and it's a good thing. (
Let's just talk about Fuji. To my knowledge & (which I may totally wrong), Fuji SG / any overseas bases don't have much room to set their own pricing and it's mainly set by Tokyo. For reasons they only know , SG has always incurred a higher pricing (GST, charges by 3rd party importer companies helps in jacking up prices across all brands) , Fuji SG knows this and as such ,works hard for the local market by providing as many useful freebies as possible to match.
One glance and you know obviously most brands don even bother to do this. And most if not all brands do engage in differential pricing.
There will be people who only care about lowest possible prices and give no hoots about warranty, no one can judge, it's all personal decisions. They will say they need nothing else and only want the body and it's great for them since there's many options too like flying to Canada to save $400 off a X-T2 body. For that, as a consumer - great, as there's choices.
For the batt exchange program , Fuji SG based that decision on only 1 person (not even local) who highlighted the possible issue and decided to do an en-masse switch, even though there is no evidence of this issue being a widespread issue even until today.
Nothing is more important that ensuring users know that the brand is clear about its polices and that consumers are important.
Back to this,
Let's move on bro, Consumers aren't silly & that's a fact. What u did was to provide a diff view to consumers maybe ignorant about differential pricing and I think the message is very clear.
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Yes, but slightly different circumstance and a much bigger hassle for import.
I'm talking a $200 flight to HK vs a lot more hassle to bring in a luxury car. Though you do save quite a bit more $$ bringing in a luxury car then buying locally.
Though you are right about a house in Mountain View Ca vs car
Also both have a good chance of catching fire. Just that the car will do it in style on Orchard road while a thousand people snapchat it.a leica user friend of mine went HK last wk , bought leica gear there for the first time: got 50apo and noctilux, i think he said he saved 5-6k ! compared to if buying in Sg!He then went to buy some high end audio stuff earpiece...he just said something like:" not sure, the left and right earpiece sounded a bit not right" they say ok, fine, open another new set, try till he satisfied type of service for a first time customer!!!
Maybe it is partly a volume deal. HK needs a lot more volume/supply vs SG so less supply goes to the red dot price therefore increases. I apologize if this has already been said. Especially for baller products like Leica.
Wah, save 5-6k, sure not? When it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true. Careful of defective, refurbished or counterfeit. also these people can sell you with accessories that are waaay above its real price to cover back the money. I nearly kana before long time ago at Sim Lim, so pls be xtra careful no matter how cheap.
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