Jumping onto the m9-p
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Ho ho, a fellow 135 Elmarit Goggles user! I have some coming from a Leica dealer in the UK, should arrive early next week (I hope!) - focusing is supposed to be a lot easier on the M9 than with the 90, and the bokeh is supposed to be even better than the 90 cron. We shall see!
What's an SF58? Am thinking of getting a 21/3.4 Elmarit, but not sure if the rear flange will be able to clear the M9 shutter
SF58 is a metz flash with a Leica dot. Got TTL capability
Film is here to stay. There will always be a niche supply. I agree with you developing labs will close eventually, someday film users will all DIY (i am already doing that).
prices will not increase as much as you imagine due to OEM manufacturers eg Arista. In any event, film is not about "machine gun mentality" like digital. Film makes me think and be selective. So its not a volume game like digital.
The other good thing about film is that all the new ASPH and APO lenses are unnecessary.
Ok i better stop talking abt film wait i kenna OT
Film is here to stay. There will always be a niche supply. I agree with you developing labs will close eventually, someday film users will all DIY (i am already doing that).
prices will not increase as much as you imagine due to OEM manufacturers eg Arista. In any event, film is not about "machine gun mentality" like digital. Film makes me think and be selective. So its not a volume game like digital.
The other good thing about film is that all the new ASPH and APO lenses are unnecessary.
Ok i better stop talking abt film wait i kenna OT
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Hi sillbeers,
Unless you need a second M camera, there is no need to buy a M8 to achieve a 180mm FOV with the 135mm lens. You already got a M8 within your M9, if this is your intention. A 135mm lens is a 135mm lens; changing body with crop sensor will not turn a 135mm lens into any other focal length than it actually is. The magnification of the image at the sensor plane is identical for this lens on either the M8 or the M9. Due to the crop factor, the M8 sensor simply capture and record a reduced image size as compared to the M9, thus the FOV of the image so recorded is less than that as recorded by the M9 sensor, giving the false impression that the 135mm lens suddenly becomes a 180mm lens, as in this case the reduced FOV of the recorded image is close to that of a 180mm lens on the FF M9 camera. Only the FOV is different, magnification at sensor plane is identical.
Just shoot with your Elmarit 135mm with your M9, and during post processing, crop the picture by the respective factor to achieve your desire FOV and save on a M8, even if it is used, it still cost a couple of thousands. A larger sensor is always much more flexible than a crop one and since these lenses are designed for 35mm FF cameras, using a crop sensor, is under-utilizing an expensive lens when you already got a FF sensor camera with you. Why pay more to under-utilize when you can achieve the same with what you already got?
Either that or a lot of people bought for SGD8k+ in HK before realizing that the M9/M9P is not easy to shoot and that lenses are insanely expensive compared to Nikon (and even Hasselblad!)
lol. I have an SCA3502 on order. Will be using it with my SCA3008 TTL cord and my Metz 54-3i which i also use with my H4D
Either that or a lot of people bought for SGD8k+ in HK before realizing that the M9/M9P is not easy to shoot and that lenses are insanely expensive compared to Nikon (and even Hasselblad!)
There are plenty of Voigtlander and Zeiss lenses which are a lot more affordable and are pretty damn good. Who honestly needs an ultra sharp lens as sharp as the 50mm Summicron APO?
+1
I'm scheduled to be back in SG in September and will be paying the House of Chiif a visit. My Leica 50 cron pre-ASPH just arrived, and seriously, I have no idea how some people manage to get so good at focusing at f1.4 or wider!
New2digital,
You certainly have a good point made! Now I should consider if a used M8 would make sense for me to have a digital M permanently mounted to my goggled 135mm Elmarit! My other consideration is such that kind of a bitch to carry, mount/dismount a goggled lens especially when a handgrip is attached (useful for a heavy lens on a M body).
ghoonk,
The 21mm Super Elmar is a newly designed lens after the M9 was produced. It replaced the 21mm 2.8 Elmarit which I wanted badly but was won over by all the good reviews on the new lens. No issue with using with M9. Sharp lens edge to edge. Very useful for landscape and architecture shots. It is suprising that I use it more often than my summilux 35 FLE especially during travel.
The Summicron 90 APO is much user friendly on the M9 than the 135mm Elmarit and itself is a wonderful fast lens. I guess one factor is the razor thin dov (which gives a nice bokeh at f2.8) and the other factor I suspect is the focusing is slightly off with the lens protruding slightly outwards when mounted on digital Ms compared to film Ms (or that the goggles on my lens just requires adjustment). I say so as I notice that my lens focusing bazzle is just a shade before infinity when I focus on objects beyond 200m with the image in the VF spot-on. When pic taken, image is off focused when enlarged to 100% crop.
Well, if you have a need for a second camera, for flexibility or whatever reason, then a second camera it is. Since you have only just "jumped" onto the M9/rangefinder(?), maybe you should give yourself a little more time with the camera and lenses before jumping onto another M body. With the pending M10 release, who knows, maybe another M9 may be a better bet (price-wise) for you as the price of the M9 is likely to be affected by this M10 release, well initially anyway, due to the initial euphoria the camera is likely to generate. I too just got my M9 in September last year, however, rangefinder is not new to me since I had used the M3 for many years and still holding on to it. Long telephoto on rangefinders is not for me as focusing gets touchy with rangefinders, even with goggles. I'll rather do the long lens with SLR, well unless the M10 change all that. We'll just have to wait and see.
If the M10 indeed has live-view, then well you get the added benefit of reliably using tele lenses and macro works.
Best of both worlds !
Definitely! Just bought a 90 cron E55 off a friend on eBay, so it should be here on Monday next week. Am very pleased with the performance of my 35 cron IV and 50 cron E39, but the 135 Elmarit w/ goggles that arrived from the UK was terrible - out of focus even at infinity. Looks like I'll have to send it in to Mr Tay when I'm back in SG in September, unless someone here has a better technician to recommend
The 21 Super-Elmar is starting to look really good to me. On my last trip to Sri Lanka, I shot pretty extensively with the 28/4 HCD on my Hasselblad H4D, which delivers a 22mm focal length equivalent on 35mm sensors, so this focal length is certainly no stranger to me. Not a cheap lens, but definitely well worth the money
Just gotten a used M8 for my 135mm Elmarit. Checking if it were also out of focus at infinity when used on my M9 before sending to Leica for adjustment.
I love the 21mm Super Elmar. Great lens to use for traveling. I used it more often than 35 lux fle.
I've shared some post in 'Through my M9' post.
I love the 21mm Super Elmar. Great lens to use for traveling. I used it more often than 35 lux fle.
I've shared some post in 'Through my M9' post.
Like ghoonk,s experience, the 135mm elmarit with goggle is out of focus when mounted on my m9. However the same problem did not happen to me when I mount it onto my M8. Why? Puzzles me!
I'll spend more time using my M8 w. my 135mm Elmarit to figure out how good is the lens. I suppose a 1.4x eyepiece will help magnify the VF for easier focusing.
I'll spend more time using my M8 w. my 135mm Elmarit to figure out how good is the lens. I suppose a 1.4x eyepiece will help magnify the VF for easier focusing.
The goggles should help with magnification. Maybe 1.25x magnifier may help, but the 1.4 is overkill. The 135 is driving me nuts, hope I can get this working! GRRR
You need to get the goggles to be working properly with your m9 (infinity point must be aligned between lens barrel focusing point ans VF image (strangedly, my M9 did not,...but my M8 did. All my other non goggle ASPH lenses worked well with both m8 & M9).
I needed the magnifier 1,4x (for m8, cause the frame is a 120mm framelines box size compared to m9's 90mm framelines due to crop factor of 1.33) for utilizing the f2.8 as I noticed the razor thin DOF easily lost my focused subject but rather focused onto objects near to the focused object at close distance.
