Huckabee, Obama sweep to Iowa victories !!!

[Canew]

If Barack Obama is elected, he will also be the first dead Black president shortly after taking office most likely. There are enough people who still hate Blacks that he probably won't live long.

Maybe that was why Colin Powell did not want to contest for the Presidency although he was popular then.

I'd really like to see Hillary Clinton as president and Barack Obama as her vice president.

Will B. Obama be H. Clinton's running mate? :dunno:

 

[bousozoku]

Maybe that was why Colin Powell did not want to contest for the Presidency although he was popular then.

Yes, and his wife even mentioned it when she was interviewed. By the way, the first Black candidate for president was also a female: Shirley Chisolm and that was far back in the 1970s.

Will B. Obama be H. Clinton's running mate? :dunno:

I think they'd work well together but I get the feeling that they'd both be too proud to do accept the deal.

 

[emirates]

no it will do well with Obama as president and Edwards as vice. black or white shouldn't matter in the UNITED STATES of America.

 

[azul123]

no it will do well with Obama as president and Edwards as vice. black or white shouldn't matter in the UNITED STATES of America.

You've watched too much TV.

../azul123

 

[Canew]

You've watched too much TV.

../azul123

Ditto that.

 

[bousozoku]

no it will do well with Obama as president and Edwards as vice. black or white shouldn't matter in the UNITED STATES of America.

It shouldn't matter but it still matters.

Discrimination is much better now than when I was growing up as the only Asian in my school but 40+ year old adults likely still retain a lot of that anger and hatred toward other races. I would seriously doubt that any white men over 50 would vote for anyone but a white man. It's also unlikely that a white woman of similar age would vote for a woman.

I just hope that we get past these barriers and open the presidency to anyone who is reasonable.

 

[emirates]

It shouldn't matter but it still matters.

Discrimination is much better now than when I was growing up as the only Asian in my school but 40+ year old adults likely still retain a lot of that anger and hatred toward other races. I would seriously doubt that any white men over 50 would vote for anyone but a white man. It's also unlikely that a white woman of similar age would vote for a woman.

I just hope that we get past these barriers and open the presidency to anyone who is reasonable.

living in the U.S.A?

 

[emirates]

You've watched too much TV.

../azul123

NOPE I DON'T WATCH TV AT ALL

 

[azul123]

NOPE I DON'T WATCH TV AT ALL

Then, you have not seen discrimination alive and well in the "Land of the Free".

../azul123

 

[bousozoku]

living in the U.S.A?

Yes, since I was a child, I'd been living all over the U.S.A.

 

[Hawaiisg]

err, and what you think there is no discrimination in singapore?

jus curious how admin letting this obvious political thread slide. i mean personally i think anyone who can say nay or yea to politicians in another country and for whatever reasons they are, should be able to do the same in their own country without fear of their own government or fear of admin in club snap shutting them down. why the double standard admin? if i or someone else were to talk about the famiLEE or anything remotely close you'd lock it up. don't get me wrong, i love free speech and this is nice to see. although, it's too bad you guys cannot do the same about politics or policy in your own country. i pray that one day every person can speak freely without fear and with cause here because it is your right and in your constitution which makes it a "singapore value" not "western values."

and to a senior member who on the first page called obama osama, sheesh,... can't you find new material or is that as creative as you can get?

anyways, hope everyone is doing well this new year.

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

err, and what you think there is no discrimination in singapore?

jus curious how admin letting this obvious political thread slide. i mean personally i think anyone who can say nay or yea to politicians in another country and for whatever reasons they are, should be able to do the same in their own country without fear of their own government or fear of admin in club snap shutting them down. why the double standard admin? if i or someone else were to talk about the famiLEE or anything remotely close you'd lock it up. don't get me wrong, i love free speech and this is nice to see. although, it's too bad you guys cannot do the same about politics or policy in your own country. i pray that one day every person can speak freely without fear and with cause here because it is your right and in your constitution which makes it a "singapore value" not "western values."

and to a senior member who on the first page called obama osama, sheesh,... can't you find new material or is that as creative as you can get?

anyways, hope everyone is doing well this new year.

well, imho, free speech is never free, there is a price to pay for everything you do.

if you've stayed long enuff in sg, you should have known it long ago... no point being a keyboard hero...

 

[Jason Ho]

err, and what you think there is no discrimination in singapore?

jus curious how admin letting this obvious political thread slide. i mean personally i think anyone who can say nay or yea to politicians in another country and for whatever reasons they are, should be able to do the same in their own country without fear of their own government or fear of admin in club snap shutting them down. why the double standard admin? if i or someone else were to talk about the famiLEE or anything remotely close you'd lock it up. don't get me wrong, i love free speech and this is nice to see. although, it's too bad you guys cannot do the same about politics or policy in your own country. i pray that one day every person can speak freely without fear and with cause here because it is your right and in your constitution which makes it a "singapore value" not "western values."

and to a senior member who on the first page called obama osama, sheesh,... can't you find new material or is that as creative as you can get?

anyways, hope everyone is doing well this new year.

Whats theres to be curious? I thought I explain myself very well in the last thread you were involved in last december?

This thread has been going fairly well until your reply. As long as everyone keeps to the topic, I see nothing wrong with the posts in this thread.

I have already said in the last thread, if you feel you have something constructive to speak up (related to Singapore government), go for the newspaper or People Voice corner. I have already mentioned (many times) this website forum is not the appropriate place. I have no means of tracking who the person is, neither are we willing to take up the responsibility or bearing the consquences of allowing anonymous political discussion related to Singapore in this forum.

Why should anyone fear of us shutting down their post? I will said its not the fear but rather the respect of our guidelines and consideration for this forum future. There are many more things that this forum can do to help our members for photography related stuff. Rather than to spend way to find out why we wont alllow certain discussion, please feel free to post more pics to share or post some photography related tips to share with all the folks here

 

[bousozoku]

I'm not sure what was considered to have slid. Any consideration of a presidential candidate who isn't a white anglo-saxon protestant male delves into prejudice or the lack of same.

Every time a candidate not fitting the pre-defined "requirement" files his/her paperwork, he or she is examined with extra scrutiny. Can anyone say that John F. Kennedy, Shirley Chisholm, Geraldine Ferraro, or Joe Lieberman were not given more of an inspection than the others?

I'm thrilled to see that the American public has come such a long way to even consider someone other than WASP males, even if it hasn't elevated politics or politicians.

 

[emirates]

Then, you have not seen discrimination alive and well in the "Land of the Free".

../azul123

what ur mean? disvrimination been there throughout America's history simmered down a little after the civil war but no doubt its still there. the web is full of stories......

 

[emirates]

its going to be interesting on Jan 15. SC and Nevada will hold tough fights. SC is probly Edwards closest chance since that was the only state he won the last time.

 

[Yappy]

America can change 10 presidents. But there will be very little change in foreign policy.

 

[bousozoku]

America can change 10 presidents. But there will be very little change in foreign policy.

Anything is possible but it will take time and new personalities, something that rarely happens.

 

[emirates]

Anything is possible but it will take time and new personalities, something that rarely happens.

every president at the least has 4yrs or the most 10yrs according to the constitution. time for foreign policy is limited. and it really depends on the president's interest on the world and its effects on the nation.

 

[melvin]

Romney wins convincing Michigan victory
By LIZ SIDOTI and GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press Writers
14 minutes ago

DETROIT - Mitt Romney scored his first major primary victory Tuesday, a desperately needed win in his native Michigan that gave his weakened presidential candidacy new life. It set the stage for a wide-open Republican showdown in South Carolina in just four days.

Three GOP candidates now have won in the first four states to vote in the 2008 primary season, roiling a nomination fight that lacks a clear favorite as the race moves south for the first time.

The former Massachusetts governor defeated John McCain, the Arizona senator who was hoping that independents and Democrats would join Republicans to help him repeat his 2000 triumph here. Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, trailed in third, and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson is making a last stand in South Carolina.

"It's a victory of optimism over Washington-style pessimism," Romney said in an Associated Press telephone interview from Southfield, Mich., echoing his campaign speeches and taking a poke at McCain, the four-term senator he beat. "Now on to South Carolina, Nevada, Florida."

Minimizing the significance of Tuesday's vote, McCain said he had called Romney to congratulate him "that Michigan welcomed their native son with their support."

"Starting tomorrow, we're going to win South Carolina, and we're going to go on and win the nomination," McCain declared, also in an AP interview from Charleston, S.C.

Huckabee, too, already campaigning in the next primary state, said in Lexington, S.C.: "We're going to win South Carolina. We put a flag in the ground here Saturday." He also jabbed at Romney, who has poured at least $20 million of his personal fortune into his bid: "We need to prove that electing a president is not just about how much money a candidate has."

Though he now has come in third in New Hampshire and Michigan after winning in Iowa, Huckabee said, "Whatever it takes, we're in it for the long haul."

In Michigan, with 37 percent of precincts reporting, Romney had 39.4 percent of the vote, McCain had 30 percent and Huckabee 15.4 percent. No other Republican fared better than single digits.

Hillary Rodham Clinton was the only top contender on the Democratic ballot. With 43 percent of precincts counted, she had 58.7 percent of the vote to 35.9 percent for uncommitted delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Romney's ties to Michigan proved beneficial.

Four in 10 voters said his roots factored into their votes, and more than half of that group backed Romney, according to preliminary results from surveys of voters as they left their polling places, taken for The AP and the networks. He also led among voters who said the economy and illegal immigration were their most important issues, and won a majority of Republicans, conservatives, and voters looking for a candidate with experience.

McCain had an edge with those who wanted an authentic president, and he won among moderates, independents and Democrats. But fewer non-Republican voters participated in the GOP primary this year than in 2000 when those voters helped him beat George W. Bush. Independents and Democrats accounted for roughly one-third of the vote, compared with about one half eight years ago.

Romney had a slight edge over McCain as the candidate likeliest to bring needed change.

The economy proved the most important issue for Republicans in Michigan, the state with the highest unemployment rate in the nation and an ailing auto industry. Given four choices, half of Michigan Republican primary voters picked the economy as the most important issue, while one in five picked Iraq, one in seven immigration and one in 10 terrorism.

A mere 20 percent of eligible voters were expected to show up at polling stations across frigid and snowy Michigan; turnout was likely to be depressed by a Democratic race of little to no consequence.

For Republicans, the stakes varied.

Of the three candidates competing hard here, Romney needed a Michigan victory the most to invigorate a campaign weakened by searing losses in Iowa and New Hampshire. He was the only one who watched the voting returns in Michigan; his top Michigan opponents, McCain and Huckabee, campaigned in the state earlier in the day but left by afternoon to plant themselves in next-up South Carolina.

Up for grabs in Michigan were 30 Republican delegates.

Romney campaigned in the state far more than his rivals and spent more than $2 million in TV ads in Michigan, nearly three times what McCain did, according to an analysis of presidential advertising by the nonpartisan Michigan Campaign Finance Network. McCain paid for more than $740,00 in ads and Huckabee spent more than $480,000.

A muddle from the start, the GOP race has grown ever more fluid as the first states voted over the past two weeks.

Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses, McCain prevailed in New Hampshire's primary, and Romney was second to both — but claimed victory in scarcely contested Wyoming. Thompson is camping out in South Carolina looking for his first win. Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, is doing the same in Florida, which votes Jan. 29.

Romney was born and raised in Michigan, and his late father, George, was head of American Motors and a three-term governor in the 1960s. Romney announced his presidential candidacy in Michigan a year ago, campaigned in it far more than his rivals and spent considerably more money on advertising.

McCain had a built-in advantage of his own. He won the state's primary eight years ago on the strength of independent and Democratic-crossover voters, and he still had a network of hard-core backers. This year, McCain didn't have to compete full-bore for non-Republican voters because the Democratic race in Michigan was essentially a beauty contest. Six months after his campaign nearly collapsed, he now leads national polls.

Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, hoped to stage a surprise finish with the support of Christian evangelicals who live in the more conservative, western part of the state. With his populist pitch, Huckabee also wanted to do well in Reagan Republican country outside of Detroit. He came from behind to win the Iowa caucuses and sought another surprise finish in Michigan.

The economy dominated the weeklong Michigan campaign. The state has been reeling from the U.S. auto industry's downturn and has the nation's highest unemployment rate at 7.4 percent.

Michigan doesn't typically hold its primary until February but state party officials scheduled it earlier to try to give the state more say in picking a president. The Republican National Committee objected and cut the number of Michigan delegates to the national convention by half as punishment while the Democratic National Committee stripped the state of all 156 delegates to its national convention, including 28 superdelegates who would not have been bound by the outcome of the primary.

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Liz Sidoti reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Jim Kuhnhenn in Washington, Libby Quaid in Warren, Mich.; David Eggert in Traverse City, Mich., and Sara Kugler in New Smyrna Beach, Fla., contributed to this report.