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.....just to clarify, i am straight hor. :nono:
As straight as Edison? :bsmilie:
.....just to clarify, i am straight hor. :nono:
this is kopitiamHow have I addressed the issue in general.The issue is irrelevant in the first place for this thread specifically because the whole basis of your thread is done with intent to soothe your damaged ego.
I don't have issues with irreverence and informal chat. I just think that kopitiam has brought up some interesting topics and discussion in the past.
I'm not interested in attacking you, I just feel that you seem to be very involved in CS so why not try to raise the quality of discussion here.
even if you meant this thread to seriously address the issue you raised you managed to OT your own thread within the first page.
As straight as Edison? :bsmilie:
this is kopitiam
you must remember that the dynamics of kopitiam is different, you being an old member here you should know that people will ot here
if i had ignored all serious discussion and posts directed to the issue at hand, and only entertained ot i would certainly be ashamed of myself. but you can't blame me for entertaining both sides of the coin, could you?
to be honest, my ego has not been damaged, the bulk of whatever has been taking place in the thread with regards to serious discussion is with regards, honestly, to the perceived inanity (note, i use perceived) of questions in recent times and past times as well.. along with the well, commonplace complaint that clubsnap seems to be a festering ground of newcomers who want to be spoonfed. some have also brought up the sugar-coating syndrome here in cs.
i am actually more than happy to find out everyone's views on what warrants an inane question. i am also certain that you would not deny that the question quoted in the mentioned thread could be perceived as inane - perhaps some could see it as a valid question, and from response here, some don't. so in all fairness perhaps i was wrong in enforcing my strong views on standards and enquiry so quickly and should have bothered to sound it out cordially with the threadstarter (sapphy). if you had bothered to follow it to the end - i mentioend that i have apologised to him in a pm, although i still expressed the view that it was not a very thoughtful question. so whether you think it fit or not, i think i have been pretty fair and am not starting this topic just to find out how many people are on my side. the only reason why i quoted this thread is so that it would not appear as if i have nothing better to do than to dream up problems with cs community.
moving on - in MY view, as mentioned earlier, what should be done to threads where you think you should say something, but you really don't think what you have to say is going to add on to anything that everyone knows already. take for example the earlier nose oil on lcd thread before.. i'm curious as to whether anyone actually thinks that there would be any valid solution that could resolve either nose oil, nose pressing on lcd when taking, etc with current design of dslr. in some sense maybe i might have used the wrong phrase - a rhetorical question might have been what i meant instead.
on the other matters, i think the discusisons have more or less run its course - i am more or less resigned to the fact that as one of the more experienced members has told me a long time ago - cs is a mixed community. psychobiologist brought it up again here actually. sugarcoating is here to stay no matter what.. and truthfully, nothing can really be done about it, can it?
Time to give this a rest mate.
Mattlock rarely speaks.
When he speaks, we usually sit up and listen.
please hand out donuts here.
on personal reflection due to great photographers speaking on my poor character, i have tried to be helpful and maybe my english is horrible, no one understands or lubs me.
this is kopitiam
you must remember that the dynamics of kopitiam is different, you being an old member here you should know that people will ot here
if i had ignored all serious discussion and posts directed to the issue at hand, and only entertained ot i would certainly be ashamed of myself. but you can't blame me for entertaining both sides of the coin, could you?
to be honest, my ego has not been damaged, the bulk of whatever has been taking place in the thread with regards to serious discussion is with regards, honestly, to the perceived inanity (note, i use perceived) of questions in recent times and past times as well.. along with the well, commonplace complaint that clubsnap seems to be a festering ground of newcomers who want to be spoonfed. some have also brought up the sugar-coating syndrome here in cs.
i am actually more than happy to find out everyone's views on what warrants an inane question. i am also certain that you would not deny that the question quoted in the mentioned thread could be perceived as inane - perhaps some could see it as a valid question, and from response here, some don't. so in all fairness perhaps i was wrong in enforcing my strong views on standards and enquiry so quickly and should have bothered to sound it out cordially with the threadstarter (sapphy). if you had bothered to follow it to the end - i mentioend that i have apologised to him in a pm, although i still expressed the view that it was not a very thoughtful question. so whether you think it fit or not, i think i have been pretty fair and am not starting this topic just to find out how many people are on my side. the only reason why i quoted this thread is so that it would not appear as if i have nothing better to do than to dream up problems with cs community.
moving on - in MY view, as mentioned earlier, what should be done to threads where you think you should say something, but you really don't think what you have to say is going to add on to anything that everyone knows already. take for example the earlier nose oil on lcd thread before.. i'm curious as to whether anyone actually thinks that there would be any valid solution that could resolve either nose oil, nose pressing on lcd when taking, etc with current design of dslr. in some sense maybe i might have used the wrong phrase - a rhetorical question might have been what i meant instead.
on the other matters, i think the discusisons have more or less run its course - i am more or less resigned to the fact that as one of the more experienced members has told me a long time ago - cs is a mixed community. psychobiologist brought it up again here actually. sugarcoating is here to stay no matter what.. and truthfully, nothing can really be done about it, can it?
That thread is seriously entertaining. So, over or under? Cannot make up your mind? :dunno:
it's not over and not under.
It's medium-rare and well-done.
When a person ask a general qn, it doesnt mean tt the person didnt do any research at all ad not at all interested. If the person isnt interested in photography, why in the first place does he post that qn in the first place anyway? Nver mind.
I just feel that clubsnap is more for pple who are already great at photography and not a good platform for newbies because when they ask a "stupid" qn, there will bound to have someone to bombard that "stupid" qn in a sacarstic tone. If you really wanna help, pls be at least try to be polite, and if u think tt qn is real really stupid, you can look away. I dun mind truthful comments. Thanks
Thanks, i sense ur sarcasm.... What i mean is i dun mind heart breaking or bad bad comments from the experts...But to get mockerings all the time when you are trying to learn sth, kind of disheartened me. I dunnoe but everybody is newbie once and newbies tend to ask some silly qns... Some times when newbies post pics, they hardly get any comments mainly because they were lousy. This is somwthing that u cant learn from books, like asking the books if your pics are ok?
Thanks, i sense ur sarcasm.... What i mean is i dun mind heart breaking or bad bad comments from the experts...But to get mockerings all the time when you are trying to learn sth, kind of disheartened me. I dunnoe but everybody is newbie once and newbies tend to ask some silly qns... Some times when newbies post pics, they hardly get any comments mainly because they were lousy. This is somwthing that u cant learn from books, like asking the books if your pics are ok?
my opinion is that why not leave it as a sugar coated donut society after all everyone's looking forward to their works being appreciated etc, it probably fulfils some basic need etc.
everyone's in this photography thingey for something anyway, whilst a small percentage is in it for the business aspect, the rest are just hobbyists, taking pictures of things that would never ever been published, sold, whatsoever. give credit where credit's due. life's much better that way.
its tiring in life just to be uptight abt everything here and there. you should have seen my participation in mostly in the nikon subforum, repeating answers to people whenever i happen to see anything i know of. others may call me a spoon feeder, a nanny and what not, but the bottomline is that, whether the person with the question has ultimately found the answer that he/she needs is more important
if one has met up with several different forummers from time to time, be it in buy/sell, or be it to give camera lessons etc, one will realize that clubsnap is made up of a diverse group of people of all ages and all walks of life. some are slightly literate, some are nearing their mid forties to early fifties, some are business owners, others are retirees. we cannot expect the participants in this forum to be uniform, i.e. dynamic, energetic, young, quick thinking etc, and that they would know where to find the answers they need by searching or looking into the correct subforum.
its time for everyone to have a little bit of humility in them as and when possible. this guy/lady i'm flaming on a forum might be twice my age and what not.
you are young, capable and schooling overseas, to return some day to be one of the leaders in singapore. whilst we hone our rationalism, perspectives, beliefs and values over the years, one musnt lose touch with society, be it the upper tier, or the lower tiers, society is never uniform. the needs of the lower tiers might be different from that of the higher up elites. a little patience helps too.