D70s Advantages over Canon 20D

[wcsiaw]

Technical comparision can be found in dpreview
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/com...side&cameras=nikon_d70s,canon_eos20d&show=all
Which I think you already know....

other than that it's really all down to personal preference.... just try out the camera like what the rest suggested and see which system suits you best.

I know some who get D70s because they have previously used the Nikon Flim SLR before and are familar with the controls and handling of the camera.

 

[jbma]

You have posted this in both the Nikon and Canon threads. What's the purpose of this? Just buy what you think is good for you and is within your budget.

 

[rebbot]

You are one giving a better answer to the thread because I do not understand what the rest of the folks here are trying to point out to the thread starter.

People place value on a product according to special features, proven performance as well as the price.

The D70 is cheaper and to me higher flash sync speed (even up to 1/7 50sec) is more important for specialised flash photography. You don't need a rugged camera body for whatever the case. Once you drop the camera on the floor, plastic or better built material suffers the same result from the mishaps.

Ppl are trying to say the photographer IS the most important part of any camera system. Hence he has been advised to choose a system that he is comfortable to work with and of coz, having the same system with peers would enable you to try out or borrow lenses that he does not have.

In regards to features and performance, of coz you pay more for a "prosumer" body compared to a "consumer" one. Makes sense doesn't it? Duh~

As for having a rugged camera body, try dropping a D70 and a D200 or even a D2X for that matter and see if you suffer the same result. It has its advantages. Its the same for pro lenses versus consumer lenses i.e. better construction.

Cheers!

 

[SnakeJackal]

good lens is more important and cost more $$$ than body. Maybe you should consider the range of lens available for canon/nikon too.

 

[billpepsi]

A fair comparison would be 20D vs D200. IMHO, if you are a newbie in photography, better to get a entry level DSLR and "invest" the rest in photography lessons.

 

[rebbot]

good lens is more important and cost more $$$ than body. Maybe you should consider the range of lens available for canon/nikon too.

second that~

 

[jimmylh]

Depending on how your friend defines superiority, resolution? fps capability? focusing speed?
D70s is more to 350D, while the D200 is to the 20D in terms of competitive line up.
In case you are tempted to cross to Canon, the 20D is soon to be replaced.

dpreview has all the comparo data. also If you shift thru tonnes of pictures in pbase shot thru either D70s or Canon 20D, you will find your answer there.

I will go to pbase, now

 

[Watcher]

Guys,
I have a friend who is using Canon 20D, and he keep mentioning his 20D far far more superior than D70s and he persuade me to get 20D body only, and he will even lend me one of his lens which is i'f I am not wrong 17-40 f/4 L

Well as you guys much more experince in Canon, can you please give me list where is Canon 20D has advantages over D70s and probably vice versa.

I found it Canon 20D is slightly over my budget.


Cheers
Jimmy

Precisely. Given your budget... What is the price today of a (body only) 20D? 2500? 2600? A D70s is around 1350, about 1/2 price. It is like comparing a $2000 (eg AMD64 x2 4200 + 1GB RAM +120GB HD + Nvdia 6800 card) PC vs $4000 PC (AMD64 FX-57 + 2 GB RAM + 300GB HD + Nvidia 7800 GTX Xreme card).

 

[Watcher]

If he say for eg. Canon 20D magnesium alloy body is "far far more superior" than D70 plastic one, he is just exagerating one point of what makes a camera superior. But then, 20D has better noise at ISO 1000, bigger megapixel, has PC terminal socket, better shutter mechanism, better viewfinder etc... Surely it must be better.... but for a higher price of course.

Questions are: 1) how often do you shoot at ISO1000 or would it be better off improving the shooting abilities and using a tripod or monopod? 2) Bigger MP? 8vs6 is minor improvement (like 17% linear dimension)? How large do you print? I've printed a picture that is hanging on a wall 18"x24" using my ancient D100 of 6MP. 3) D70s has a USB socket. The rest of the "better" is hard to define.

In any case, as I said in the other thread on Canon Sub-forum, it is like comparing a $2000 PC with a $4000 PC.

 

[jimmylh]

Precisely. Given your budget... What is the price today of a (body only) 20D? 2500? 2600? A D70s is around 1350, about 1/2 price. It is like comparing a $2000 (eg AMD64 x2 4200 + 1GB RAM +120GB HD + Nvdia 6800 card) PC vs $4000 PC (AMD64 FX-57 + 2 GB RAM + 300GB HD + Nvidia 7800 GTX Xreme card).

Precisely, butttt if you have that AMD FX-57 with all of those fancy peripherals well 7800GTX hmmmmm, yummi, and using it for Microsoft Word what do u think the different between 2 systems???????????? :bigeyes:


anyway back to cam, I heard from him, that if using d70s at iso higher than 400 the result will be crap, is that true???


Thanks Jimmy

 

[KNIGHT ONG]

Precisely, butttt if you have that AMD FX-57 with all of those fancy peripherals well 7800GTX hmmmmm, yummi, and using it for Microsoft Word what do u think the different between 2 systems???????????? :bigeyes:


anyway back to cam, I heard from him, that if using d70s at iso higher than 400 the result will be crap, is that true???


Thanks Jimmy

Well, I am not a Canon user here ... :sweat:

Depends on how far you want to go into photography and your budgets .. please work it out else when you purchased a high end cam which ended up white elephant .. sad man! :sweatsm:

Many ppl here actually thinks the more features that built into the cam .. you gonna use it and in fact not very truth.... most features you dont even needs it and use it except the basis functions which most of us will use and can be from any camera brands.

Lastly as I also cited, you are the 1 who will decides what to buy and justify for it .. at the end of the day it is your $$$ not us .. dont blame it when you received the wrong informations or misrepresentation where you acted on it ... :sweat:

Think carefully and wisely .

 

[LensView]

Basically, my question to you is what do you wanna shoot. I'm using a 20D. I'm a photojournalist and I do sports photography. 20D works well in places like back allies, old places where there is little light. As for sports, you cna get very got shots at very high speeds. On the other hand, my brother is into landscape and portraits, and his D70 works well for him. So i feel that its really what you wanna shoot.

 

[rinaldi86]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos20d/page25.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond50/page24.asp [Up to 350D only. No 20D.]
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond50/page25.asp [300D only. 20D certainly perform much better than 300D]


Some reviews:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/eos_20d-review/index.shtml
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/20d.html
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/20d-part1.shtml

I would prefer a 20D than a D70s.

Frankly, I don't know where D70s stands now.

D50 vs 350D, D70s alone?
or D70s vs 350D, then D200 vs 20D?
or D50 vs KM's 5D

 

[jimmylh]

Guys, thanks for all of the information and opinion, I really find it usefull and helfpul
And they are not merely technical but full of wisdom as well, I mean it.

Anyway I will let you know my decision, actually I have made my decision for D70s but last night my friend came, and told me he will lend me the lens 17-40 L for a year, till I got more money to buy myself

But I think you're right, just buy within your budget, and If I have to follow my gut feeling I will get D70s.

Again
Thanks

Jimmy

 

[ibs]

Guys,
I have a friend who is using Canon 20D, and he keep mentioning his 20D far far more superior than D70s and he persuade me to get 20D body only, and he will even lend me one of his lens which is i'f I am not wrong 17-40 f/4 L

Well as you guys much more experince in Canon, can you please give me list where is Canon 20D has advantages over D70s and probably vice versa.

I found it Canon 20D is slightly over my budget.


Cheers
Jimmy

I've moved from eos3 to fz10 to d70 and now back to canon with a 20D. I can't tell you that 20D is a better camera than D70, but for the biggest bang for your buck.. the D70 is hard to beat.

I bet all other posts in this thread will say almost the same thing. But I say, if the 20D makes you happy, attracts members of the opposite sex and guarantees perfect pictures every time... go for it. Otherwise, stick with your budget.

 

[espn]

Normally loan you for a year, but one day he will just urgently need it back and leave you dangling there... then you'll end up buying one yourself... :devil:

Anyway, several disadvantages over the 20D.

Slower FPS, not every shot appears the same.
No grip, ligther body.
Can use IR.
Can do IR.
Less MP, smaller file size.

Bottomline is... it's as good as the person behind the VF. Give an idiot a D2X, it will achieve idiotic standards. Give a pro a D70S, it will achieve professional standards. Go figure.

If you've already decided, the best way to stop thinking so much is to just do it.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Buy D70 and you can join us in NUG :bsmilie: Buy 20D you still can join us but you have to pay for all our kopi :lovegrin:

 

[espn]

Buy D70 and you can join us in NUG :bsmilie: Buy 20D you still can join us but you have to pay for all our kopi :lovegrin:

Not without first running 3 rounds around the block. :bsmilie:

Just kidding...

 

[Watcher]

anyway back to cam, I heard from him, that if using d70s at iso higher than 400 the result will be crap, is that true???


Thanks Jimmy

From DPReview, D70s at ISO 400 has the noise about ISO 640 compared to 20D. So ask him is his picture crap from ISO 640 onwards? But oops, the 20D can only set in jumps of 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 (1 f/stop in increments) while D70s can do it in 1/3 f/stop increment.

We can do a full C-vs-N war over this topic. Ask your friend to read my tag line below before he sprouts more nonsense.

 

[Watcher]

Frankly, I don't know where D70s stands now.

D50 vs 350D, D70s alone?
or D70s vs 350D, then D200 vs 20D?
or D50 vs KM's 5D

Because the D70s performed so well when compared to the 20D for 1/2 the price?