Canon 5D or Hassy


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eosandy

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Love film, Love DSLR.

Love the whole film process but from an archival POV I like negs instead of 1's & 0's on storage devices.

Anyone with both (or similar) can give me objective sensible reasoning? or are they too far apart to be objective? (MF and 35mm I know)

The Hassy would need to be around the same cost as 5D. Prime 30/35mm lens for either system would be first, moving to landscape lens eventually. Portraits & landscapes. 4K budget.
 

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actually dun really know what is your thread abt. but typically on a MF camera, 80mm is the standard lens. 35mm is like the ultra wide angle.
 

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I'm on the fence whether to invest in a new DSLR or Film camera. Just looking for some input from users of the systems I'm looking to upgrade to, and maybe some advice within a budget of 4k. Sorry to be a bit unclear earlier.
 

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ic ic. since u already have 2 mf cameras, do u think it is worthwhile to invest in a premium mf camera or do u want to try out a digital 35mm? tat would be the easier way to decide.
 

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Then you'll need a good scanner to complement your medium format. That will easy cost you another 2K.
 

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ic ic. since u already have 2 mf cameras, do u think it is worthwhile to invest in a premium mf camera or do u want to try out a digital 35mm? tat would be the easier way to decide.
Leaning towards FF DSLR but enjoying MF so much I'm kinda stuck thinking about MF potential with better equipment. Film does not go through the same life-cycle as DSLRs and that's why I have stuck with my trusty 350D, but issues regarding sensor limitations on noise and dynamic range are making me think of 5D. For sure the FF DSLR upgrade would be a really good one, I know that much is true. I do not see the video functions on DSLR as a "value added bonus", just the technology is there and more capable.

MF cam does not stricktly need to be Hassy but I feel going for a known, quality system is more important than playing with toy MF cams. Don't get me wrong, picture quality from the Seagull has so far been surprisingly good given the system cost, but the whole thing is a bit too klunky, and I just want better resolution (so to speak) on my film.

Again, landscapes and portraits are my thing, with rare sports and concert footage taken.

Buy one, wish I had the other... this is my issue.:think:
 

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Not sure, hence the New Thread...:embrass:

Then you'll need a good scanner to complement your medium format. That will easy cost you another 2K.
I will continue to use Canon 8800F and send selected frames for either high-res scanning or direct to print. Similar to a contact sheet where full quality is not seen but other picture aspects can be judged.
 

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I'm on the fence whether to invest in a new DSLR or Film camera. Just looking for some input from users of the systems I'm looking to upgrade to, and maybe some advice within a budget of 4k. Sorry to be a bit unclear earlier.
They are totally different cameras, not just because of image quality of 35 mm vs 6x6. One promotes a more planned, controlled and contemplative style of shooting. The other is a rapidly depreciating computer with which happens to take lenses in its lens mount.

You will never be able to improve the image quality of a DLSR after purchase, whereas the use of different films will give you the choice of different quality, different looks and real archival black and white if you choose it.
 

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Quote "The Hassy would need to be around the same cost as 5D..."

Sorry bro, one-on-one, that is just not going to happen anytime soon :)

....but the flexibility of attaching a digital back to the Hassy is tempting .... IF your pocket is deep enough (but can consider a 2nd hand early generation one)

http://www.pictureline.com/cat/219/Hasselblad_Digital_Backs/?mid=32
 

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They are totally different cameras, not just because of image quality of 35 mm vs 6x6. One promotes a more planned, controlled and contemplative style of shooting. The other is a rapidly depreciating computer with which happens to take lenses in its lens mount.

You will never be able to improve the image quality of a DLSR after purchase, whereas the use of different films will give you the choice of different quality, different looks and real archival black and white if you choose it.
My dilemma exactly. I spent three hours taking 12 shots on Sunday with the Seagull during which time my daughter clocked up almost a hundred frames on 350D... The ability to "point and shoot" is nice to have, especially in candid situations but I want better quality with Landscape and Portrait shots.

As you say, planning & preparation. Just got some ASA50 120 film... 2 rolls... loving this.

I think I will try to find a Hassy for rental with a 120 back and a digital back for a weekend. Does anyone know of sources?

5D, tried and love it.
 

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Leaning towards FF DSLR but enjoying MF so much I'm kinda stuck thinking about MF potential with better equipment. Film does not go through the same life-cycle as DSLRs and that's why I have stuck with my trusty 350D, but issues regarding sensor limitations on noise and dynamic range are making me think of 5D. For sure the FF DSLR upgrade would be a really good one, I know that much is true. I do not see the video functions on DSLR as a "value added bonus", just the technology is there and more capable.

MF cam does not stricktly need to be Hassy but I feel going for a known, quality system is more important than playing with toy MF cams. Don't get me wrong, picture quality from the Seagull has so far been surprisingly good given the system cost, but the whole thing is a bit too klunky, and I just want better resolution (so to speak) on my film.

Again, landscapes and portraits are my thing, with rare sports and concert footage taken.

Buy one, wish I had the other... this is my issue.:think:
if u can live with the additional work flow in shooting film, go with the hassy then. personally, i am shooting with the mamiya pro and i also have a 1d3. i agree the feel is just not the same and depending on what i wanna shoot, there is really no basis to compare. i usually bring both out with me.
 

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I have both the 5D Mk II and the Hassy 500CM. I still enjoy shooting film DURING leisure. If I needed things fast, digital is the way to go - instant gratification.
Anyway, you can rent a Hassy and a lens for S$50 a day. So way buy something you do not use daily?
 

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My dilemma exactly. I spent three hours taking 12 shots on Sunday with the Seagull during which time my daughter clocked up almost a hundred frames on 350D... The ability to "point and shoot" is nice to have, especially in candid situations but I want better quality with Landscape and Portrait shots.

As you say, planning & preparation. Just got some ASA50 120 film... 2 rolls... loving this.

I think I will try to find a Hassy for rental with a 120 back and a digital back for a weekend. Does anyone know of sources?

5D, tried and love it.
You can contact Shriro...

Denis Lim
Sales Manager
Photographic Division
Shriro(Singapore)Pte. Ltd
DID: 65088130
HP : 90030430

Or come down on first Tuesday of every month. For more details, watch this thread:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=426248

Like what many have said... both are 2 different cameras.

You can get a good condition 503 series for about 2K+ with 80mm lens. a 50mm/f4 lens alone will cost about 1.5 to 2K, which is good for landscape.

If on budget, an average condition (7 to 8) 500C/M body with 80mm/f2.8 C lens will set u back by almost 1.5K average.

If you really want to go all the way, the 38mm biogon SWC series is the pinnacle of the hassey V series.

Do a google on the different series of the lenses to understand their difference. All the V series lenses can be mounted on the 500 series bodies. and all the 500 series can take digital backs with the right mounting adapter.

This is a very simplistic explanation of hasselblad series. Do more research and read more to get a better understanding on different series of the hasselblad.

But do understand that the digital backs on medium format, though is high on resolution and size, it might not be average joe's cup of tea. A new back cost about 16K SGD, maximum ISO is 400, no ultra wave sensor dust removal, no IS... blah blah blah... But images take with it, is simply breathe taking... :)

Just come down for the once a month Hassey User Group meet! Even if u are a non hassy, non medium format user, just come down and have some fun. :)
 

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if u can live with the additional work flow in shooting film, go with the hassy then. personally, i am shooting with the mamiya pro and i also have a 1d3. i agree the feel is just not the same and depending on what i wanna shoot, there is really no basis to compare. i usually bring both out with me.
Re: workflow, you assume people want to scan. While that could be true, it's also perfectly possible to pass the negs to a lab and tell them to print it the way you want and with the crop you want.

Then there's no "additional" workflow, compared to a guy who passes digital files to the lab to print.

And if the guy is doing his own darkroom, well... darkroom work ain't additional workflow either.
 

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Re: workflow, you assume people want to scan. While that could be true, it's also perfectly possible to pass the negs to a lab and tell them to print it the way you want and with the crop you want.

Then there's no "additional" workflow, compared to a guy who passes digital files to the lab to print.

And if the guy is doing his own darkroom, well... darkroom work ain't additional workflow either.
No darkroom yet, only darkbag...:)
 

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Re: workflow, you assume people want to scan. While that could be true, it's also perfectly possible to pass the negs to a lab and tell them to print it the way you want and with the crop you want.

Then there's no "additional" workflow, compared to a guy who passes digital files to the lab to print.

And if the guy is doing his own darkroom, well... darkroom work ain't additional workflow either.
if u take away the printing portion, the digital camera will still be easier and faster than shooting with film and u can't really escape from doing PP nowadays. scanning is more or less the norm rather than the rarity.
 

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