Don't flame me hor but if you continue to only look at things from your perspective - of course you will give up lah cos not balanced liao
10D for f***
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Don't flame me hor but if you continue to only look at things from your perspective - of course you will give up lah cos not balanced liao
Originally posted by sehsuan
yes. to be a primary school teacher. you didn't know that?
by the way, how about ditching the battery grip to lighten the load... :bsmilie:
Will you be telling the kids how your dad treat you too?
If I wanted to lighten the load, I won't be buying it in the first place, that's logical. I buy things using my OWN hard earn money, I treasured them and always make sure I make good use of them. From my underwear all the way to my lens, not a single penny waste.
Originally posted by sehsuan
but since when was i balanced?
it's a freak accident that i'm a libra....
apa libra, between algebra and zebra? ;p
think u're cool liao anyway...
By the way, even if I'll to unload my grip, I'll make sure it'll be pass on to someone who knows what's it for.
If I am not wrong, I was there when both of you purchase the 10D...
And I also was at CP last afternoon, where if I am wrong, your CFO was there to purchase an additional batt...
When asked, where is the 10D, the man answered, "My son is playing it at home..."
I hope, I didn't mistaken your team with another team...
And I also was at CP last afternoon, where if I am wrong, your CFO was there to purchase an additional batt...
When asked, where is the 10D, the man answered, "My son is playing it at home..."
I hope, I didn't mistaken your team with another team...
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Live under his roof for 24 years, spend his money for 24 years, had to get him to take care of you for 24 years, harass him for 24 years, eat his food for 24 years......etc etc...
and all he get is a kid that badmouths him in a public forum.... i pity the father.
*shakes head*
and all he get is a kid that badmouths him in a public forum.... i pity the father.
*shakes head*
Whoa!
I read your original post and had many strong reactions. I believe most of my reactions have already been voiced by various people, and I also believe that by now you have cooled down substantially to think rationally and sanely.
I still think it bears repeating that I think your original reaction, in the heat of the moment or not, was totally uncalled for. Your dad's property does not by right belong to you, and therefore, you could potentially feel miffed at not being allowed to handle the camera, but you'd have to shrug your shoulders and make do. The same way if I asked you to let me use your 4040 and you said no, I'd have to shrug and make do.
I was trying desperately hard to figure your age out, until eventually I'd read enough of the thread to discover that you're 24. In no way is this meant as an admonishment to you, or as a sign that things are all fine and dandy with me (they're not), but I'm 24 as well and like Tweek, I find it hard to imagine any contemporaries who think the way you do.
i prefer to move into sports photography, but circumstances dictate that i pull out now.
Again, I'm not saying that my life is sorted enough to serve as a role model, but let's try for something to aim towards just on the basis that "it can be done".
I'm 24. I'm a professional sports photographer. I own an extensive range of professional camera equipment of which a 10D would really represent a drop in the ocean. My dad has never bought me anything photographic, despite channeling insane amounts of money at a university degree that ultimately I'm not using (because it's not photographically related).
This is not some post to show off. But you struck a chord with your age and intended area of specialisation (sport). About there the similarities seem to end. I'm lucky that my dad was willing to let me use his camera equipment when he wasn't using them. Nothing even half as exotic, or expensive, as a 10D. But that didn't stop me from learning with "inferior" equipment (read, 4040) and then graduating to more advanced equipment when I was ready for it and had saved up enough for it. Sure he's not letting you use his 10D, but what I'm saying is, from that point on, you and I are the same. I got no financial help to accumulate the mountain of kit I have now. At least you got a 4040.
Incidentally, if my dad ever reads this, I'm not ignoring the role you played in all of this, and yes I'm immensely thankful!
On a separate note, if you want to have a chat about sports work, give me a shout.
Cool down mate, think about it a moment, carefully. Don't do anything stupid, and if you really love photography, don't give it up.
I read your original post and had many strong reactions. I believe most of my reactions have already been voiced by various people, and I also believe that by now you have cooled down substantially to think rationally and sanely.
I still think it bears repeating that I think your original reaction, in the heat of the moment or not, was totally uncalled for. Your dad's property does not by right belong to you, and therefore, you could potentially feel miffed at not being allowed to handle the camera, but you'd have to shrug your shoulders and make do. The same way if I asked you to let me use your 4040 and you said no, I'd have to shrug and make do.
I was trying desperately hard to figure your age out, until eventually I'd read enough of the thread to discover that you're 24. In no way is this meant as an admonishment to you, or as a sign that things are all fine and dandy with me (they're not), but I'm 24 as well and like Tweek, I find it hard to imagine any contemporaries who think the way you do.
i prefer to move into sports photography, but circumstances dictate that i pull out now.
Again, I'm not saying that my life is sorted enough to serve as a role model, but let's try for something to aim towards just on the basis that "it can be done".
I'm 24. I'm a professional sports photographer. I own an extensive range of professional camera equipment of which a 10D would really represent a drop in the ocean. My dad has never bought me anything photographic, despite channeling insane amounts of money at a university degree that ultimately I'm not using (because it's not photographically related).
This is not some post to show off. But you struck a chord with your age and intended area of specialisation (sport). About there the similarities seem to end. I'm lucky that my dad was willing to let me use his camera equipment when he wasn't using them. Nothing even half as exotic, or expensive, as a 10D. But that didn't stop me from learning with "inferior" equipment (read, 4040) and then graduating to more advanced equipment when I was ready for it and had saved up enough for it. Sure he's not letting you use his 10D, but what I'm saying is, from that point on, you and I are the same. I got no financial help to accumulate the mountain of kit I have now. At least you got a 4040.
Incidentally, if my dad ever reads this, I'm not ignoring the role you played in all of this, and yes I'm immensely thankful!
On a separate note, if you want to have a chat about sports work, give me a shout.
Cool down mate, think about it a moment, carefully. Don't do anything stupid, and if you really love photography, don't give it up.
When i was in my early to mid 20s, I remember I often clashed with my dad over issues like career, money and my attitude. Yeah, I used heated words and once even stomped out of the house in anger.
Anyway, Sehsuan , son n father clashes and frictions are common in most father n son relationships. These issues your brought up are actual trivial and minor IMHO. I still believe that your dad loves u dearly in his heart. He is your father after all. Maybe u can take the opportunity to discuss photography with him and who knows???He MAY allow you to take the 10D out for a spin!!
Have a nice weekend.
Anyway, Sehsuan , son n father clashes and frictions are common in most father n son relationships. These issues your brought up are actual trivial and minor IMHO. I still believe that your dad loves u dearly in his heart. He is your father after all. Maybe u can take the opportunity to discuss photography with him and who knows???He MAY allow you to take the 10D out for a spin!!
Have a nice weekend.
Haha... I had the same experience with you... my dad bought a new camera, and I asked him if I could have his old camera. And his reply ? I could have it when I'm older :bsmilie:
Well, ever since that day, both cameras have been lying in his dry box. And I don't blame him. It's his money, he decides what he wants to do with it. Of course it works the other way round too...
So what makes a good photographer ? Does having expensive equipment really make a good photographer ? IMO, a good photographer can take amazing pictures even with a disposable camera.
Well, ever since that day, both cameras have been lying in his dry box. And I don't blame him. It's his money, he decides what he wants to do with it. Of course it works the other way round too...
So what makes a good photographer ? Does having expensive equipment really make a good photographer ? IMO, a good photographer can take amazing pictures even with a disposable camera.
Very true indeed. Many award winning pictures if u look into nat geo for instance, have been won by amateurs using very humble equiptments and kit lenses.
Sehsuan
Im not trying to say that u can only take good pics with either humble equiptments or highend stuffs. But a pic is still a pic only, its the photographer's creativity and eye behind the viewfinder that make his picture stand out from the rest. Pls dont misunderstand that im a great photographer or wat, but its jus my view on photography.
If can afford for the latest and greatest jus go ahead, if u cant, dont worry, jus contd to shoot with watever u have. Having good equiptment of cos gives the photographers a better edge in terms of sharpness and speed etc, but if u dont, a cam which takes pictures is still a tool to let u hone ur skills till u are really good. By then u will take even better pics with watever cam in ur hands.
Dont fall prey to equiptment lust, u will only end up as an equiptment measurebator shooting nothing but brickwalls or backyards jus to check out how great the colours turn out. Now that would be really sad .
* togu noticed all for a sudden, everyone posted
"WTT : Prosumer cams/SLR/DSLR trade with disposable cam, with cash top up!"
:what:
Hahha, aiyoh , give that guy a break lah, think he is quite sad liao. Afterall, now he can only see but not touch his dream cam, at least not being to bring it out.
Sehsuan:
Father and son relationships is something intricate and delicate. I have learnt thru my 24 yrs in life, that the only way to ur parents or loved one's heart is thru the soft approach. It works. Throwing tantrums etc will never be a feasible long term method to come to a sort of compromise. It almost always end up tragic.
Its true that "dad" sometimes have his quirky ideas or "pattern pattern" but thats jus him, he is afterall dad. When the novelty of the tandy have worn off abit, can try to ask again. Maybe this time might be positive news leh.
Btw, i think ur dad quite love u leh. U can go diving, biking etc, hey all these not cheap leh. I can only read and see see touch touch but not actually afford it. So u might wanna thank ur dad for at least giving u the pleasure of having such experiences.
Originally posted by alloy
Hahha, aiyoh , give that guy a break lah, think he is quite sad liao. Afterall, now he can only see but not touch his dream cam, at least not being to bring it out.
Sehsuan:
Father and son relationships is something intricate and delicate. I have learnt thru my 24 yrs in life, that the only way to ur parents or loved one's heart is thru the soft approach. It works. Throwing tantrums etc will never be a feasible long term method to come to a sort of compromise. It almost always end up tragic.
Its true that "dad" sometimes have his quirky ideas or "pattern pattern" but thats jus him, he is afterall dad. When the novelty of the tandy have worn off abit, can try to ask again. Maybe this time might be positive news leh.
Btw, i think ur dad quite love u leh. U can go diving, biking etc, hey all these not cheap leh. I can only read and see see touch touch but not actually afford it. So u might wanna thank ur dad for at least giving u the pleasure of having such experiences.
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oh silly meeh.... neways sehsuan, heres an advise dude...go and get ur self a gurlfriend... it's far bettar than photography!
trust me.;p
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