Runaway China scholars
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Depends on the boss.. if he cares about employees more than $$$.. then I will stay
but that kind of boss is rare nowadays..
Sion
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and people will reply you with
"it's because of the way in which they left that we're not happy"
:think: ....... please define prospects ........
i dont know why are you making a big "Hoo-ah" that the scholars ran away..
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Hi Zenten, Hong Sien here Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this man........
Yes, I also don't understand the hoo-haa about these (non bonded) students running away? Actually I understand lah! This problem comes from the expectations that some have, that if they get a scholarschip they MUST stay and work for the country that gave them the scholarship. But not all scholarships are build like that I guess. If these are really non-bonded (I don't know for sure yet), then there is nothing wrong for them to go away, you can't expect every student to stay in SG, there will always be some who leave, you need to accept that .........and I do smell a little discomfort with China people, that's why the title carries the word 'China' as if SG students don't do it.......
I can only speak for Holland and Germany, where there are many scholarships given out without bonds too. And most citizens get non-bonded scholarships FREE, and if they need additional they can borrow from the government (and pay back 2 years after graduating from Uni)......the idea behind this is that they want to make Uni studies accessible to everyone regardless your financial background. They do not expect everyone to stay in the country, like me I left Holland for SG to work here as a scientist. Because, their intentions were different...........they just want to give an education to those who deserve it, nothing else behind it.
In fact, in Germany and Holland there are many scholarships given to foreigners too, and in the past they don't have a bond, the idea is more of like an Aid to that country where they come from. In my yuounger days, these students from Indonesia who studies in Germany didn't have to pay Uni school fees! They only need to pay their own lodging and food. And most of these students went back to Indonesia, but that was mostly because that was the requirement from Germany, they were not supposed to stay, unless they can find a job in Germany.........quite a number did stay when they could find a job there, else many more returned to Indo.
I have worked with many chinese scientist here too, and many want to stay here and some have become singaporeans. But the life of a scientist is not a stable one, many have to relocate when their project stops, and they are mostly on a 1-3 years contract. From the many overseas students here who were working alongside me, I can only remember 1 student who left for the US many many years ago..............
So, I wonder how many scholarship students in High schools here do run away? Don't always point to the exception, and make people think it is the rule, I am pretty sure the majority stays in SG........I don't think you can expect 100% to stay, if 5% run away, then 95% still stay here
And if there is a bond, and they still go away, as long as they pay for the bond, then legally there is also not much wrong. The only wrong they did is that they took away a place for another student who might stay, IF there was a quota on how many students can get a place per year (I don't know about the quota thing for the scholarships here)
As far as I know locals also can get scholarships (but they have to be good), don't understand why people think locals don't get???? But you have to be good at school lah!
Lets discuss this as it is, and don't make it a locals vs foreigners thing, SG is already becoming very polarised
Hong Sien
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this man........Yes, I also don't understand the hoo-haa about these (non bonded) students running away? Actually I understand lah! This problem comes from the expectations that some have, that if they get a scholarschip they MUST stay and work for the country that gave them the scholarship. But not all scholarships are build like that I guess. If these are really non-bonded (I don't know for sure yet), then there is nothing wrong for them to go away, you can't expect every student to stay in SG, there will always be some who leave, you need to accept that .........and I do smell a little discomfort with China people, that's why the title carries the word 'China' as if SG students don't do it.......
I can only speak for Holland and Germany, where there are many scholarships given out without bonds too. And most citizens get non-bonded scholarships FREE, and if they need additional they can borrow from the government (and pay back 2 years after graduating from Uni)......the idea behind this is that they want to make Uni studies accessible to everyone regardless your financial background. They do not expect everyone to stay in the country, like me I left Holland for SG to work here as a scientist. Because, their intentions were different...........they just want to give an education to those who deserve it, nothing else behind it.
In fact, in Germany and Holland there are many scholarships given to foreigners too, and in the past they don't have a bond, the idea is more of like an Aid to that country where they come from. In my yuounger days, these students from Indonesia who studies in Germany didn't have to pay Uni school fees! They only need to pay their own lodging and food. And most of these students went back to Indonesia, but that was mostly because that was the requirement from Germany, they were not supposed to stay, unless they can find a job in Germany.........quite a number did stay when they could find a job there, else many more returned to Indo.
I have worked with many chinese scientist here too, and many want to stay here and some have become singaporeans. But the life of a scientist is not a stable one, many have to relocate when their project stops, and they are mostly on a 1-3 years contract. From the many overseas students here who were working alongside me, I can only remember 1 student who left for the US many many years ago..............
So, I wonder how many scholarship students in High schools here do run away? Don't always point to the exception, and make people think it is the rule, I am pretty sure the majority stays in SG........I don't think you can expect 100% to stay, if 5% run away, then 95% still stay here
And if there is a bond, and they still go away, as long as they pay for the bond, then legally there is also not much wrong. The only wrong they did is that they took away a place for another student who might stay, IF there was a quota on how many students can get a place per year (I don't know about the quota thing for the scholarships here)
As far as I know locals also can get scholarships (but they have to be good), don't understand why people think locals don't get???? But you have to be good at school lah!
Lets discuss this as it is, and don't make it a locals vs foreigners thing, SG is already becoming very polarised
Hong Sien
Because you are local, THATS WHY ...
.. no offence .. lol ..
because he is not good enough academically to qualify for one ?
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Sion
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How come no one offer me scholarship? I promise to be horse and cow for them if given
Now Anderson Junior got 2 places.
You can apply liao. :bsmilie:
If local take up scholarship or place in local uni, but go work overseas after graduating and not contributing back, any issues?
Ok for the students got it, they will say its their parents' tax money anyway.
Not ok for those who can't get into local uni because the scholarship comes from their parents' tax money.
Ok for the students got it, they will say its their parents' tax money anyway.
Not ok for those who can't get into local uni because the scholarship comes from their parents' tax money.
Just read todays paper, that more place in university for local (pardon me if i interprete wrongly) ..
But they worry about the standard of the degree graduates if they accept just anyone .. ... So in the end i guess the additonal place may not be for my children in future ..
I know of so many friends where they have to sent the children aboard for university education, just because our education here accept only the very best .. so end of the day, if you r poor and not the top student .. bad luck, u will be a diplomo or jc level worker .. slogging away .. its so irony that we as a first world country cant provide university education for everyone ..
We only want the very best, and nothing else .. its stressing everyone out ..
But they worry about the standard of the degree graduates if they accept just anyone .. ... So in the end i guess the additonal place may not be for my children in future ..
I know of so many friends where they have to sent the children aboard for university education, just because our education here accept only the very best .. so end of the day, if you r poor and not the top student .. bad luck, u will be a diplomo or jc level worker .. slogging away .. its so irony that we as a first world country cant provide university education for everyone ..
We only want the very best, and nothing else .. its stressing everyone out ..
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