Will you shoot under such a condition?
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as a photographer, you should be able to form your own judgement about some models ... for me, this model has that classic face where not many models have, probably because of her mixed heritage...... i believe a lot of photographers here can do a lot of magic with her face/look (though her pose has still got a lot of room for improvement).
.....celebrity status, able to do nude, low price, etc... these are not my main criteria to consider... .
from the way she presented herself it seems that she's a veteran as well.
KL lah. Sez so on her deviant site.
I think it's an UNSAFE and UNFAIR DEMAND on several levels:
SAFETY
1) No photographer worth his (or her) salt would ever give all the pictures to a model or company. Reason being that there will bound to be bad shots in there somewhere. These may work against against photog.
2) Refer to #1 - Shooting a sexy female model you may sometimes accidentally capture some err ... 'sensitive' (in the Asian context) parts. These can be mis-constured and used against you legally. Also, even if the model/co is super nice and trustworthy (is she a life-long friend or someone you know you can really trust?), model or co may accidentally leave files around, leave HP lying ard, leave cards around and potentially damaging photos may get leaked. Tammy NYP is an example. Probably more bad things can happen than in Tammy's case ... like it can be used to blackmail model or co, and photog is somehow involved. You know how luan these things can get ...
3) Connected to #1 - Some shots may not reveal anything, but may simply be real bad. What if later model becomes celebrity, and there were some old pictures (the bad ones) that were leaked many years earlier? Then photog's reputation kenar tarnished, and even if you were not directly blamed, you somehow get connected to it bla bla bla ... ok la, this one maby a bit kiasu, but you never know ...
4) Bad judgement - humans do that sometimes, and what is deemed suitable or great by one may be damaging to another. Why risk a bad choice of photos where your reputation (or future reputation) may be compromised?
PROFESSIONALISM, HONESTY AND FAIRNESS
5) It's a PAID shoot. Unless model is willing to give a hefty discount for stipulating such a condition, it doesn't seem like a fair transaction unless such conditions were stated right from the beginning.
6) Professionalism and transparency - If such conditions were stated right from the beginning, at least photographers can take those into consideration and make an informed decision. At least that's being professional, open and honest about it, instead of hiding it till discussions get to the later or confirmation stage, then sprout the hidden conditions. It would be much worse if such conditions were unleashed after confirmation or later.
But seriously, how many photogs would then want to engage said model, unless she's so super duper chio/mesmerising/will elevate your portfolio like no other model can. Chances are, that's why it was hidden till later. Not very nice to do business or to treat people like that la.
It's understandable if the model is of super-celebrity status, and the managent/agent realises that they can manipulate/bully/sukar sukar change T&Cs even after agreement, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
And even IF it were a TFCD, do have a peek here:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=324038 post #7
Disclaimer: I have no idea which model is involved, so some of the above comments may be irrelevant.
SAFETY
1) No photographer worth his (or her) salt would ever give all the pictures to a model or company. Reason being that there will bound to be bad shots in there somewhere. These may work against against photog.
2) Refer to #1 - Shooting a sexy female model you may sometimes accidentally capture some err ... 'sensitive' (in the Asian context) parts. These can be mis-constured and used against you legally. Also, even if the model/co is super nice and trustworthy (is she a life-long friend or someone you know you can really trust?), model or co may accidentally leave files around, leave HP lying ard, leave cards around and potentially damaging photos may get leaked. Tammy NYP is an example. Probably more bad things can happen than in Tammy's case ... like it can be used to blackmail model or co, and photog is somehow involved. You know how luan these things can get ...
3) Connected to #1 - Some shots may not reveal anything, but may simply be real bad. What if later model becomes celebrity, and there were some old pictures (the bad ones) that were leaked many years earlier? Then photog's reputation kenar tarnished, and even if you were not directly blamed, you somehow get connected to it bla bla bla ... ok la, this one maby a bit kiasu, but you never know ...
4) Bad judgement - humans do that sometimes, and what is deemed suitable or great by one may be damaging to another. Why risk a bad choice of photos where your reputation (or future reputation) may be compromised?
PROFESSIONALISM, HONESTY AND FAIRNESS
5) It's a PAID shoot. Unless model is willing to give a hefty discount for stipulating such a condition, it doesn't seem like a fair transaction unless such conditions were stated right from the beginning.
6) Professionalism and transparency - If such conditions were stated right from the beginning, at least photographers can take those into consideration and make an informed decision. At least that's being professional, open and honest about it, instead of hiding it till discussions get to the later or confirmation stage, then sprout the hidden conditions. It would be much worse if such conditions were unleashed after confirmation or later.
But seriously, how many photogs would then want to engage said model, unless she's so super duper chio/mesmerising/will elevate your portfolio like no other model can. Chances are, that's why it was hidden till later. Not very nice to do business or to treat people like that la.
It's understandable if the model is of super-celebrity status, and the managent/agent realises that they can manipulate/bully/sukar sukar change T&Cs even after agreement, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
And even IF it were a TFCD, do have a peek here:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=324038 post #7
Disclaimer: I have no idea which model is involved, so some of the above comments may be irrelevant.
ot but who's tammy nyp?
I would not shoot anyone under those conditions. It is unprofessional of a paid model to ask for all the photos, let alone to ask the photog to download to her laptop at end of the shoot.
She makes it clear that she does not do TFCD and photog should make it clear that if he/she is paying then there is no obligation to provide any photos. However, most photogs will provide out of goodwill if shoot goes well. After all, photogs want their photos to be seen and model will certainly show them off.
She makes it clear that she does not do TFCD and photog should make it clear that if he/she is paying then there is no obligation to provide any photos. However, most photogs will provide out of goodwill if shoot goes well. After all, photogs want their photos to be seen and model will certainly show them off.
reachme2003
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all in all its not gonna be cheap. transport then pay for the model and hotel...wa...rather not bother...
knn ... mia suan la. .... my standard where got ppl pay me to shoot ....:bsmilie::sweatsm::sweat:
reachme2003
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since you are paying her, it is for you to 'dictate' yr terms. for her to 'dictate' such terms, not so acceptable leh. anyway, it is a commercial transaction, it is up to you and her to work out the terms and come to an agreement, if any.
Err ... she was a young girl (in Nanyang Polytechnic) who had a sex session videotaped on a handphone, and the vid got spread round the world when she lost the phone or when it got stolen.
that was really stupid of her. o well she set herself up for it.
Which part? The videotaping or the bad data security? I think with the advent of affordable digital capture, gazillions have ventured into 'behind closed doors' directorial and cinematographic escapades. NOT me ahh! Better fast fast say. :bsmilie: Just gotta be real careful about data storage and security.
just curious...what do you say she's worth shooting?
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