The Day After Tomorrow - Weather gone mad

[sammy888]

the trouble with this is, opinion within the scientific community itself is split down the line. on one hand, you have people who go stark raving mad about the world being warm and what not, and on the other hand you have another group of people who go that this is a normal temperature cycling phenomena, and we shouldn't get our panties knotted up in a bunch over something like that.

and as much as you think that Al Gore is pulling a "something from nothing" argument, I do agree with one of his rhetoric. and that is "Pascal's Wager", in which it assumes that SHOULD global warming be really true, the efforts taken to clean the world up will ultimately safe our lives and our livelihood. if it turns out that global warming isn't true, and that it was all a bunch of hogwash, who stands to benefit? the companies who came up with the ideas of being green and what not, and the end user in the end. because even if it turns out to be a farce, we end up cleaning our own place up anyway.

it's sorta like making your bed in the morning before going to work. you do it because you think it's neat, or because you've been bugged to do it by the missus. but ultimately, a neater bed does present a neater bedroom/environment, and ultimately a more positive psychological impression on yourself at the end of the weary day. win/win situation for both parties (assuming you got pressured by the missus that is).

AH I am not advocating doing nothing. I go green for pollution sake. I do things that has an effect to my life, my generation and not speculate on something in advance that will or will not happen by then what Al Gore or others like him who reap to benefit from their true or not true theories ( and really this is what scientific findings are all about ) they would have enjoy what sucker punch they throw us and benefit them and their children by then...they would have died and be long gone before your future generation can hold them accountable.

If you take a look at the world around you, there are so many things we could be doing to help ourselves today and indirectly it does have a cooling or warming effect to countering any future problem we might have....that is caused by us!. But if this is something that happens to mother earth every billion years which scientist actually have...the ice age or the day of fire will come and we will all be gone but good news is...mother nature will still be around to host a total new life form. Life is about recycling not just the bottles, cardboard..etc.... even our existence. Let's hope that day come due to nature and not man made. By pollution or by war. We better choose carefully.

Anyone can pluck something witty to say. Al Gore the politician is no difference. Pay enough or research enough and some one can be your wordsmith to coin you something logical to tell the world. Politician has speech writers you know that right? There is another famous saying that I like too. "there's one born every day" I do my part to recycle and I try to encourage everyone to be same. And I don't own a private jet to go jet about to tell others to mind their carbon footprint either. heheh....

But hey...that's just me. Remember now...recycle reuse renew....for our children sake. We do that for our children, they will look after our future children ...and so on and so on.

 

[sammy888]

maybe they'll have bikinis under their woolly jackets & flesh them for a quick shoot? :bsmilie: why u bother so much, wad others wear? u frequent beaches so much ah? u can choose to look away de mah.

or did they throw themselves at u? :think:

Actually most of the time I do look away....or I lose my lunch.

That's why I shoot landscape more of the time.

 

[sORe-EyEz]

Actually most of the time I do look away....or I lose my lunch.

That's why I shoot landscape more of the time.

we should switch places during lunch, my lunch will taste betta! :bsmilie:

explore, shoot & cycle? sounds like an outing to me. :think:

 

[sammy888]

we should switch places during lunch, my lunch will taste betta! :bsmilie:

explore, shoot & cycle? sounds like an outing to me. :think:

I have higher expectation about models since I was formerly from the fashion industry and work in a company whoes sister company was one of Singapore better model agency back then...so once you have seen really beautiful women...the rest are just bad clones. Sorry. Call it like I see it. Not bragging. Just stating the fact. I am alittle less fussy with g/fs lah heheh... but you call yourself "model" I have standards that remains sacred.

Yeah you should go down to the East Coast Park and cycle with me...you will see alot of XMM there that will hot up your camera and whatever heheh..but catchup now..I will not stop with you to shoot. heheh

 

[chisiang]

I have higher expectation about models since I was formerly from the fashion industry and work in a company whoes sister company was one of Singapore better model agency back then...so once you have seen really beautiful women...the rest are just bad clones. Sorry. Call it like I see it. Not bragging. Just stating the fact. I am alittle less fussy with g/fs lah heheh... but you call yourself "model" I have standards that remains sacred.

Yeah you should go down to the East Coast Park and cycle with me...you will see alot of XMM there that will hot up your camera and whatever heheh..but catchup now..I will not stop with you to shoot. heheh

talk about hot weather :sweat: :lovegrin:

 

[reinier]

AH I am not advocating doing nothing. I go green for pollution sake. I do things that has an effect to my life, my generation and not speculate on something in advance that will or will not happen by then what Al Gore or others like him who reap to benefit from their true or not true theories ( and really this is what scientific findings are all about ) they would have enjoy what sucker punch they throw us and benefit them and their children by then...they would have died and be long gone before your future generation can hold them accountable.

If you take a look at the world around you, there are so many things we could be doing to help ourselves today and indirectly it does have a cooling or warming effect to countering any future problem we might have....that is caused by us!. But if this is something that happens to mother earth every billion years which scientist actually have...the ice age or the day of fire will come and we will all be gone but good news is...mother nature will still be around to host a total new life form. Life is about recycling not just the bottles, cardboard..etc.... even our existence. Let's hope that day come due to nature and not man made. By pollution or by war. We better choose carefully.

Anyone can pluck something witty to say. Al Gore the politician is no difference. Pay enough or research enough and some one can be your wordsmith to coin you something logical to tell the world. Politician has speech writers you know that right? There is another famous saying that I like too. "there's one born every day" I do my part to recycle and I try to encourage everyone to be same. And I don't own a private jet to go jet about to tell others to mind their carbon footprint either. heheh....

But hey...that's just me. Remember now...recycle reuse renew....for our children sake. We do that for our children, they will look after our future children ...and so on and so on.

On Algore's Advocacy

Im no algore fan...but I believe in the "Cautionary Principle" whereby its best to avoid than to leave it to chance....as terryansimon mentioned, cleaning up our act will do more good than harm regardless if the claim was true or not. Assuming that Algore's intention are indeed politically tainted, it doesnt matter...in the end, he has lifted the conciousness of the masses who have long shunned the idea of environmental awareness. Now we have even more companies who are taking "green efforts" into consideration. Some maybe doing better than the others, but nevertheless, concrete actions are made. Yes, Algore, most scientists and the rest of the "so called" Environmental community do take Commercial Airlines to meetings...that is true, but all this is necessary sacrifice for a greater good. The carbon footprint they make are balanced by the amount of good that these meetings have done for the earth. Look around you now...look at items in shopping malls and groceries.,..youll find that there are more "green products" now than there were several years ago...this is the battle won...and there are more frontiers to conquer...slow and steady, environmental conciousness is creeping into economic thinking.

On Global warming

I think its too soon to say that this cold weather (which we've experienced for jst a month or so) does break the global warming cycle. Its even to soon to say that this weather pattern is infact caused by human actions at all. In short, the cooler climate we are now having does not disprove nor prove the claim for Global warming. atmost, these will merely be part of the base data which scientists are still gathering to come up with a reliably table from which they can deduce a more scientifically calcuated conclusion

 

[chisiang]

ok... given a worst case scenario...

If given a choice, would anyone of you rather have a Global Warming or Ice Age?

I think I will want an ICE Age :bsmilie:

 

[sammy888]

Yes, Algore, most scientists and the rest of the "so called" Environmental community do take Commercial Airlines to meetings...that is true, but all this is necessary sacrifice for a greater good.

Not commercial. ...PRIVATE JET. Why not commercialised it the good question. Proof a powerful point if he did don't you think? Case in point...you follow the recent attempt by the 3 CEO of the 3 leading motor industries who each flow to the Capital in their own private jet each to ask congress for money to bail them out?

Companies going green is also marketing. Marketing is about making money. It is the lastest fashion fab...once it is no longer in fashion it will slide into the background as white noise like any other fab.

If you start to take the line that in the cause of spreading the green message thus I can travel in my own JET will balance out becasue of the good work I am doing... everyone ultimately will be doing the same thing..then we are back to sqaure one? Something have to give? If it takes more time to get there to save a tree or cut down carbon emmision then so be it...take a freaking commercial plane...but just a few hours late..for a green cause that HAS TO BE WORTH doing don't you think? The jet is just one example there are many others... it is by living by what you preach that is important..THAT is the most powerful message you can sent to the world. Anyhow..it is not my way to try to change the world to my view. I want to get people to be more aware there is always two sides toa coin and in these day and age, information will set you free and information is empowerment. If all you do is just read once and keep thinking that is all you need and you don't update yourself with more details then how will you ever progress or know what you learnt yesterday is wrong tomorrow or even refined further? We agree to disagree in any case.

 

[reinier]

Not commercial. ...PRIVATE JET. Why not commercialised it the good question. Proof a powerful point if he did don't you think? Case in point...you follow the recent attempt by the 3 CEO of the 3 leading motor industries who each flow to the Capital in their own private jet each to ask congress for money to bail them out?

Companies going green is also marketing. Marketing is about making money. It is the lastest fashion fab...once it is no longer in fashion it will slide into the background as white noise like any other fab.

If you start to take the line that in the cause of spreading the green message thus I can travel in my own JET will balance out becasue of the good work I am doing... everyone ultimately will be doing the same thing..then we are back to sqaure one? Something have to give? If it takes more time to get there to save a tree or cut down carbon emmision then so be it...take a freaking commercial plane...but just a few hours late..for a green cause that HAS TO BE WORTH doing don't you think? The jet is just one example there are many others... it is by living by what you preach that is important..THAT is the most powerful message you can sent to the world. Anyhow..it is not my way to try to change the world to my view. I want to get people to be more aware there is always two sides toa coin and in these day and age, information will set you free and information is empowerment. If all you do is just read once and keep thinking that is all you need and you don't update yourself with more details then how will you ever progress or know what you learnt yesterday is wrong tomorrow or even refined further? We agree to disagree in any case.

i rest my case on algore...i was never a fan to begin with...And I cannot argue for his sake knowing that I know very little of his whereabouts...

but i do know that UNEP representatives take commercial airlines...the Governing Council and Global Civil Society Forums all take commercial airlines when they attend General Assemblies...this is part of their practice what you preach campaign....

nevertheless, Im still happy of the hype this environmental cause is getting...whether some companys are real or not, its still better than nothing...

for the time being...

" it is by living by what you preach that is important..THAT is the most powerful message you can sent to the world" this i have to agree with you....i jst hope most of our world leaders think this way....

 

[Lolrence]

Four numbers....

2012

Not 4D hor. :bsmilie:

 

[Canew]

Four numbers....

2012

Not 4D hor. :bsmilie:

2012? What is going to happen in 2012?

 

[sORe-EyEz]

2012? What is going to happen in 2012?

eh, 2012 is a movie... :sweat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXa82AuwHU

 

[chisiang]

OMG the 2012 trailer is damn scary loh

tsunami covering everest or sumthing :bigeyes:

 

[La Vida]

This month, since school re-open, our classrooms are experiencing really cold and strong winds..

 

[mysterio506]

OMG the 2012 trailer is damn scary loh

tsunami covering everest or sumthing :bigeyes:

get ready.....

Dec 21, 2012 .... polar shift on earth with sun & milk way

 

[terryansimon]

2012? What is going to happen in 2012?

eh, 2012 is a movie... :sweat:

Four numbers....

2012

Not 4D hor. :bsmilie:

the ancient mayans stopped their calendar after 2012, and as a result a lot of conspiracy theorists say that it will spell the end of the world in that year.

hence, movies/books/toys/everything will be made about it, and when it all blows over we'll be smacking ourselves in the head for being so hyped up over the doom and darkness that we all predicted, ala post Y2K feelings.

 

[sammy888]

get ready.....

Dec 21, 2012 .... polar shift on earth with sun & milk way

The polar shift has happened a number of times as discovered by scientists when they dig the ground and measure for magnetic rings and direction. Some would say as much as every 100,000 yrs give or take.

But still nothing as instant reaction and quick like in the movie will happen. (water high as the mountain flowing rapidly over everything) It would be gradual till the point that it flips. The movie "The Day after tomorrow" is just that...a movie. Scientists as featured in a National Geographic has show instant freeze for example is not possible and climate will not change that quickly like what you see of a city rapidly turning to ice. Even climate change is gradual and you will not notice it till it is too late.

Case in point...how long does it take to boil water in a normal kettle? Say 10minutes. Thats for a kettle size. How long will it take to boil the water say in a army cooking tank? Maybe 1 hour. Climatologist and other scientist has done calculation and it was said that if there ever was a 1 degree change in the sun's temperature shining on planet earth( yes this has happen many times too with big solar flares), the sea temperature for example will reflect that 1 degree change in temperature. Problem is..it will take 10yrs for that to happen gradually. Huge mass and real live physic science makes for poor disaster movies so they stretch the true.....alot! heheh

 

[ArchRival]

and as much as you think that Al Gore is pulling a "something from nothing" argument, I do agree with one of his rhetoric. and that is "Pascal's Wager", in which it assumes that SHOULD global warming be really true, the efforts taken to clean the world up will ultimately safe our lives and our livelihood. if it turns out that global warming isn't true, and that it was all a bunch of hogwash, who stands to benefit? the companies who came up with the ideas of being green and what not, and the end user in the end. because even if it turns out to be a farce, we end up cleaning our own place up anyway.

:bsmilie::bsmilie:

Dudes, see, we all live in a world where there's opportunity cost. We always hear green advocates talk about saving the planet, but when was the last time anyone heard someone ask What is the cost of fighting global warming, and are we willing to pay that price?

 

[terryansimon]

Dudes, see, we all live in a world where there's opportunity cost. We always hear green advocates talk about saving the planet, but when was the last time anyone heard someone ask What is the cost of fighting global warming, and are we willing to pay that price?

funny how you should mention that, since every time I'm back in Melbourne, all I ever hear the Green Party talk about is just. that. cost of global warming and cost of fighting it. the Shadows as well.

if you look at it from a big company point of view, there is money to be made for you to explore alternatives to help clean the earth up. it no longer is a niche market as now there is a larger public awareness of what the heck is going on. case in point would be companies selling solar panels and water tanks in Australia. what used to be done/owned/ran by small companies are now being aided by many more companies who have realized that there is something to gain from doing all this.

as much as I frown upon such companies for making money out of a situation such as global warming, I can't help but remind myself that at the end of the day, the world MAY become a cleaner/better place, and that they are merely offering a service know how in arriving at that destination/idea.

it's the same argument that people have for Community Involvement Programme or CIP. sure, the kids made to do the CIP may be unwilling/forced to do it, but at the end of the day, the people who need it the most benefit from the kids and their CIP involvement. plus, awareness will be raised in the kids regarding the plight about the people they are helping. win/win situation, to a certain extent.

 

[ArchRival]

Dude, while there is money to be made in this global warming business the cost you mentioned are not real costs at all.

I'm talking about the cost to people in low lying islands like Micronesia, Maldives, etc, how they lose their lands, income, livelihood and possibly their lives, if we all follow the green advocates and implement ways to fight global warming like they say. Then there are costs to the poor in Africa. People in Africa don't care about global warming, they care about poverty.