Labor Curbs After Protest in the Heartland?
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I think to be honest 6.9 even if Singapore has all the infra in place and more housing. more train more roads etc etc and even Singapore land growns by 20% more by reclaim 6.9M is a bit too much even these are all true blue Singaporean. Singapore has no natural resources like fresh water, forest/farm lands etc.
But I am not against in promoting higher birth rates to replace the aging population I think they should focus more how to promote a higher birth rate and importing of talents should only be the last options if all fails ....There's no magic bullets but they must try to solve it internally 1st than just anyhow import... Hope Singapore wont follow Japan aging population problem. But Right now with the out cry of no FTs etc etc seem this is where Singapore is heading once we close the faucet then in 2030 we may have serious problem. But we must not do harsh decision we should tackle this step by step...
Something to read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan
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but i am a cat. i did not say repetitive work. i said sales. without sales growth its not possible to drive revenue growth.
i guess you might not be a business owner. it's all about P and L . more P and no L please
I think uncle fai most older generation minimum was 5
then my Parents time around 3-4 my time now 1 or 2 enough 3 is a stretch already...
I think uncle fai most older generation minimum was 5
iStupid, android phones, phone games, mobile FB, PSP, XBox, etc are all wonderful contraceptives.
eg
Wife (in knock out lingerie very obviously and clearly stating her intention for the night) : Hubby...here I am...we can do whatever you like..."
Hubby : "great darling! i love you, get us a can of beer each and let's play Skyrim together " (actually i don't know what games are new, only quoting KPT thread )
see? got so many other entertainment now...i bet even now some of you are reading this on your phone, mobile device or computer instead of going to bed with your spouse. im guilty too. but it is my turn to look after the kittens tonight.
This is so true.. we have a lot of substitutes.. and wonderful alternatives.. from games.. TV.. outing with frens..
whereas in the rural old days.. after sundown.. no electricity.. what else can you do :dunno: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
I believe this is the wrong way, it will create a society of layers or classes. It gives room for a snobbish mentality of those in the upper layer (don't you have this already?) looking down on the lower layers as replaceable workforce, but not as human beings. Dangerous in many ways. The better way it to have local people and foreigners in all layers of the society.
There are jobs Singaporeans won't do (cleaner etc) and there are jobs Singaporeans can't do (fancy research stuff etc).
Again all about striking the right balance.
cks2k2 said:
I think the dissenting voices are saying that those jobs that Singaporeans can and would like to do, they should enjoy a priority. In particular, don't allow employers to get away with hiring a cheaper foreign worker instead.
Uncle Fai maybe my company is a bit different but we try to hire locals as much as possible and we are in the IT line of business we are hiring Data Center Engineers but very few local willing to take on, salary wise is very good we are fair when it comes to salary we normally tries to match the market price. Sadly it's very hard to find Local willing to do shift works or on standby even if you're willing to pay for over time and transport.... So there are times we have no choice but take on PR or FT even PR acting like locals now a days... So when we hire FT all of them are eligeble for E-Pass not S-Pass so meaning it's professional and salary range is very good. So for us hiring managers really have a huge problem attracting locals...
I have a friend also who works at MBS he said initially they dont accept FT all jobs are for locals they even have job fairs but very few locals willing to take up the work. Now when they open for FT they getting backslash saying they only hiring FT :-(.... It's really hard for hiring managers like me wait long long for a perfect local to apply we have our bottomline to protect the longer we have the slot open the more $$$ we lost. About salary of FT, yes some are cheaper but I think a lot of FT salary is very good already even comparing with some locals already...
Another issue we have is retention its really hard to keep some (not all) local in place specially in the line of business we are in... Maybe its the line of business or Job scope why this area of IT is not very well famous in most locals...
The problem here is most locals dont want to do low end jobs in the 1st place... until we came up of ways for locals to work blue collared jobs then we dont need to import anymore. I am a hiring manager in an IT and I am having problem attracting locals coz we work in shift and on standby when they hear that most backs out once we have posted a JD and no locals even PR applies for a month :-(
The reason, imho is, something in the mindset of local people. These jobs, at a certain point in time, were either labeled or were considered as 'low end' or 'dirty' jobs and as a result locals felt they are too good to do them. So they not only imported maids for cleaning bum and kitchen but also imported other workers for construction, healthcare, you name it. Secondly, due to the endless rush for quick profit, nobody wanted to pay much for such jobs. As a result, these jobs are so low paid that no local can take them and feed a family, considering all the other payments to CPF etc. The entire sector of low paid jobs is distorted. But not only this sector. I was shocked to see how little money bus captains earn here, considering that they are responsible for the lives of passengers and an expensive bus. This is a road to disaster. Jobs should be paid reasonably, then local people will pick them up and can feed their families.
I'm working in an IT outsourcing company. We have the same issue but is has been solved (more or less) by central guideline from HQ: all operational jobs are shifted to Malaysia where we have a big regional operational center. In Singapore we have the remaining jobs for coordination, management, customer facing teams, finance etc.
But for our facility management we still have the issue from time to time. Mostly we have to fall back to people from Malaysia. Again here: the sector is distorted due to never ending pressure and crunch on the salary.
I wish we could do that by my Datacenter is here in SG we cant move something like that to other countries one reason we choose Singapore is it' connectivity and no natural calamities like storm earthquakes... So for now we cant move our ops to other countries.
I agree unless Singaporean are willing to accept such position like Japanese in thier hometown that's one reason Japan survive almost no reliance with FT or FW as they have portion of thier population willing and proud to be a farmer/fisherman/construction works/bus drivers/taxi driver etc.... And they support local products and most of thier companies do produce products for local market only. So until we have a business company and population in that mindset Singapore will need to rely to FT and FW....
Our datacenter is here - for the very same reason that you state
Only the people, the daily system operations, is moved to Malaysia.Not only that.. but if locals want a managerial position straightaway after uni/college.. well.. good luck for the company.
One does not simply become a manager :bsmilie:
They should work their way up to know the nuts and bolts and what makes the company/product ticks..
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Why would Singaporeans not do cleaner jobs? Have you thought about the root cause?
And why would Singaporeans not be able to do 'fancy research stuff'? Do you know that your government allows biological research here in Singapore which is banned (for a good reason) in European countries? Whether this is fancy or not is not the point ..
Balance is a buzzword used by those sitting at the upper end.
Don't think PRC technicians get paid that much in their country in production plants, certainly not 5 digit rmb. But then after deduction of room rentals, food, transport, air ticket, big ticket items to carry home, etc. It probably comes to be quite close.
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