\well... ya can try...
simplify this bah. if u wanna get mentored, what is it u wanna learn?
for me i'll wanna learn abt thought processes. how u think and process. from there, adapt and modify to my own style.
no point teaching techniques when u can almost google anything under the sun abt that... nothing special
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I have opinions about that. Firstly to mentor someone means to impart a sense of yourself into him/her, your moral & ethics as a person, a photographer, a business man, even to the way you live your life. Not sit that person down and ask, "so what do you want to learn today?". Frankly, that person is going learn whatever the H*LL you teach them, whether they're interested in it or not. Mentoring is personalised teaching, not teach when you have something to say and google for everything else. To mentor is a huge responsibility, there is no simplifying it to lessen the burden.
As a working professional I can attest that I am always interested/curious to see a fellow photographer at work. Given a choice to see a photoshoot in action versus sitting in front of my pc youtubing, you bet I'll rather sweat it out. It doesn't matter if I already know 101 ways to light someone/something, I may learn 102 or pick up a good practise/tip even a minor one. Youtube can only show (not teach) the ideal situation; life is not ideal, shoots are not always done in comfort nor in days you don't have the flu, there are always hiccups and equipment limitations. I want to see how it's handled, how stress is handled, how techniques are shortcut and modified. Youtube is only good for looking at gear especially those I can't afford, nothing beats a hands on with verbal commentary.
I find it almost offensive really, to hear "there is nothing special" about a professional photographer's techniques. If you meant "mundane" then I can accept that, but to dismiss it so offhandedly means you have no clue what you're talking about. It'll be just as bad if that person Hart is mentoring feels the same way, "nothing special" here.
Ps. just to add on, it's bad attitude and lacking of respect. Not things you want in a pupil.
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I have opinions about that. Firstly to mentor someone means to impart a sense of yourself into him/her, your moral & ethics as a person, a photographer, a business man, even to the way you live your life. Not sit that person down and ask, "so what do you want to learn today?". Frankly, that person is going learn whatever the H*LL you teach them, whether they're interested in it or not. Mentoring is personalised teaching, not teach when you have something to say and google for everything else. To mentor is a huge responsibility, there is no simplifying it to lessen the burden.
As a working professional I can attest that I am always interested/curious to see a fellow photographer at work. Given a choice to see a photoshoot in action versus sitting in front of my pc youtubing, you bet I'll rather sweat it out. It doesn't matter if I already know 101 ways to light someone/something, I may learn 102 or pick up a good practise/tip even a minor one. Youtube can only show (not teach) the ideal situation; life is not ideal, shoots are not always done in comfort nor in days you don't have the flu, there are always hiccups and equipment limitations. I want to see how it's handled, how stress is handled, how techniques are shortcut and modified. Youtube is only good for looking at gear especially those I can't afford, nothing beats a hands on with verbal commentary.
I find it almost offensive really, to hear "there is nothing special" about a professional photographer's techniques. If you meant "mundane" then I can accept that, but to dismiss it so offhandedly means you have no clue what you're talking about. It'll be just as bad if that person Hart is mentoring feels the same way, "nothing special" here.
Ps. just to add on, it's bad attitude and lacking of respect. Not things you want in a pupil.
mentorship is abt guidance. sharing of experience. the mentor has to at least acknowledge that his student has his own way of looking at things and help him develop as a photographer.Frankly, that person is going learn whatever the H*LL you teach them, whether they're interested in it or not.
i think u misread my meaning of techniques:
techniques are stuff like:
light painting. exposure. panning. how to use a tilt shift lens. how to press a button. how to use a wireless release. those are technical know how. how to on a light. how to adjust a flash. how to use strobist methods.
what u want to learn:
why u light the subject in a certain way. why u light paint in a certain angle. why do u do something in a certain way.
its the rationale behind the usage of the technique that matters. the method which it was done is not exactly important. same results could had been done, with different methods. and most can be found through google.
understanding how the photographer processes his thoughts, and his reasons, are the ones that let the photographer stand out.
just because a photographer knows how to operate a studio, doesnt make him a good photographer.
its his thinking process, and how he views things, that makes him stand out from the rest.
tbh. if it was simply method, the technique applied, anyone can master them.
its the logic behind why he shoots that way. that is the one that is harder to understand, and hence the style of the photographer.
mentorship isnt spoonfeeding btw. it shld give the person being mentored his own personal space.
hope this clears things up. i take the idea of mentorship very seriously and this isnt a joking matter. i dun belittle anyone's expertise. but i am sure its not the method/technique that makes the photographer. its the thought processes of the photographer that makes him unique.
mentorship is abt guidance. sharing of experience. the mentor has to at least acknowledge that his student has his own way of looking at things and help him develop as a photographer.
thanks for clarifying regarding your use of the word 'techniques'. Wish you had wrote this all initially.
Yes the student has his own way of thinking, but he/she still has to learn what I deem to be vitally important as a photographer/person. Essentially, it's what makes me who I am and also is what's shaping me as a photographer, my style, my "thinking". Mentorship is moulding a mini-me. Even if he/she isn't interested in learning (A), I will still drill (A) into him/her because it's what I find to be important. So again, what ever I teach them, they have to learn. If they don't use (A) in their own profession, ok lor. At least I tried to impart them my values and I acknowledge what ever makes them who they are also makes them unique.
Maybe this is the old school method, may not work so well with the modern age now. lol.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:well... ya can try...
simplify this bah. if u wanna get mentored, what is it u wanna learn?
for me i'll wanna learn abt thought processes. how u think and process. from there, adapt and modify to my own style.
no point teaching techniques when u can almost google anything under the sun abt that... nothing special
Uhm... This is a bugger if it happen...
Maybe I should charge a lot of money then use the money for charity.
It will stop people coming because it is free...
Regards,
Hart
Uhm... This is a bugger if it happen...
Maybe I should charge a lot of money then use the money for charity.
It will stop people coming because it is free...
Regards,
Hart
Being a full-time assistant to a professional photographer will also give the chance to learn all that "techniques" and "style" of photography. Stuff that is not taught is observed with all senses.
So what's the difference between assisting and mentorship? I have experienced assisting, so mentorship has to be something a lot more isn't it? Assisting does not usually cover business survival, that is 1 aspect that Hart's mentorship program will address. But what else? What else will Hart give me that I can't learn from assisting? And how much can Hart mentor me on?
If someone already knows more than the fundamentals of photography and is already fairly competent in the craft then that person is better off learning from assisting various photographers to learn a lot more stuff from multiple sources. That way will allow for a faster learning & absorption curve than solely relying on 1 teacher's mentorship. (My opinion) Anyone who is already idealistic and has already formed strong opinions are better off there, which is why it's important to address who and how Hart judges his pupil(s).
Like forward put it, both parties should feel a sense of fulfillment. I would hate it if Hart spent all that effort and all he got out of it was a "yeah it was ok" or "I feel it could have been better" feeling.
To me, assisting sounds more like learning on the job. See the pro in action and follow what he does, perhaps with some tips thrown in here and there. Mentoring goes more into more of the thought process behind what you are trying to capture. Not only from the pro, but from the pupil as well. To help develop him, but not necessary in the same footsteps as the pro. True that the pupil needs to be come with an open mind and not have his own strong opinions from the start. Ideally the 2 must be comfortable with each other.
Kudos to people who are willing to sacrifice their time and share their experiences  Am most interested to participate when Hart decides on how he wants to do his selection.