education from our schools are just a basic foundation, the real education is from the working world...
just like a PnS compare to a DSLR. :sweat:
just like a PnS compare to a DSLR. :sweat:
sure, there is some assesment beyond content, but a good deal of it is on content... think this is the case in certain faculties more than in others... and maybe like I mentioned its possibly more the attitudes of the students (at least those I have seen) than the lecturers...having been in NUS for 4 years, i disagree with the ''content bias'' saying. undergraduate assessments here are definitely more than just content.
Hey david,
I have EXACTLY the same type of queries as you have posted here. Are you a math or science student/grad? I think those who are in such fields will appreciate it best.
It's funny. We always hear singapore is way ahead of our US counterparts in terms of math and also perhaps science. At college level (like our A levels), the US guys are still learning trigonometry which are already taught in our schools at sec 1 or 2. For us, at Sec 3, we are already into the cheem stuffs like differentiation and integration, or formally known as calculus. For Calculus, this word alone strikes fears in the US students! Strictly only if you are really into science then you will usually learn it at uni level in the US.
But like you, what puzzles me is that by the 2nd or 3rd year, the US students are picking up really advance stuffs in calculus and all that. While our common students here are struggling with the subject despite given the few years of headstart in the subject.
I can only come up with my own theory:
Although we learn calculus and all that at an earlier level, there is a repetition of it at the local uni level here. That's clearly a waste of time. I find that uni dons here don't really know much about what is happening in our O and A levels. In fact, many of them graduated from the US and use US published textbooks. So this gives the guys in the US unis to catch up with us, while we cover pretty much the same thing.
As for the brighter A level students here, they will usually get to do higher level stuffs in their first yr at the local unis. Or they make skip certain modules which are deemed easy for them. So this group of people won't feel the "waste time" factor so much.
Also, US unis tend to teach critical thinking better than our local unis. Where they dismantle stuffs to really learn what goes on, our students here are more concerned with wanting to know which chapters to study for the exam so that they can "concentrate" only on the relevant subjects. To score As if possible of course. But there's very little meaning or value in such a way of learning.
US education is more broad based also. They get to study a foreign language, math, literature, science, etc at high school and college level and only specialize much later. This gives them time to think about what they really want. They are also free to change speciality any time without much problem.
Here, it's crazy. You get streamed even in pri school! At sec level, you already must decide what you want to become. At such an age, how will you know? So it might end up that you will study something you do not naturally excel later at uni level. Just to get a cert? This fact is undisputable. I've heard and have friends and myself am living proof. How often have you heard students here taking up 2nd or 3rd degrees? It's so common. It's not only waste of time but money.
By comparison, those students in the US when they study science or whatever subject, they really are interested in it and their lecturers are very motivating (sadly, 80% of mine in a local uni here weren't!) This can push them far and pick up things better.
Well, I could share more but that's it for now. See if you agree or disagree or have more things to add on...
My only worry is: yes, Singapore has hired world-renowned experts (and a lot), but do Singaporeans have the kind of 'ON' spirit to learn, go deep and develop their technologies?
Singapore has always been proud of the achievement by students excelling in maths and sciences in many international competitions and its education system is said to be envied by many other countries. On the other hand, students in USA have always fared poorly but once it reaches tertiary level, USA does so much better and it is an undisputed fact that most of the top universities in the world are in USA. If Singapore has been able to produce students with very good results going into our universities, why are we lagging so far behind compared to the American universities.
I don't have an answer to this but it is clear something is wrong with our system that is over emphasizing the importance of academic results. I know of someone whose kids had average results but he had the money to send them to good high schools in USA and they are now studying at Harvard and MIT. Perhaps, our system is good up to ''O" level but wonder how many of our "A" students actually qualify for places in top American universities. In my opinion, it is about time our Education Ministry should do some soul-searching to revamp our system but for a start, it must find out what makes American universities tick when its schooling system prior to that level can't even compete at international level.
not if one can't take criticisms and only surround oneself with yes-men
sugar-coated n sweet praises of nothing doesn't help too.
is tertiary lecturers paid to offer valuable advice or just tell students nice work and get on with life?
if its the latter, then so sad liao... forever in self deluded fantasy world...
the lecturers I know do give good advice... its sometimes a matter of whether people bother to approach them for advice... of course there are probably some bochap (can't be bothered ones) ones out there as well...is tertiary lecturers paid to offer valuable advice or just tell students nice work and get on with life?
if its the latter, then so sad liao... forever in self deluded fantasy world...
that's a life changing experience :bsmilie:some tutors in my faculty when i was in NUS were paid to tear up students' works and throw them into the trashbin :bsmilie:
some tutors in my faculty when i was in NUS were paid to tear up students' works and throw them into the trashbin :bsmilie:
My work is beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring me down
My work is beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring me down
So don't you bring me down today
the lecturers I know do give good advice... its sometimes a matter of whether people bother to approach them for advice... of course there are probably some bochap (can't be bothered ones) ones out there as well...
that's a life changing experience :bsmilie:
The older technicians though were quite good at finding practical solutions, makes you wonder if in the old days education here was better
Partly, but also the willingness to think of a solution. For many, they just sit there and don't want to find out why it didn't work......mind you, I found those from the Polytechnics more willing to learn, and they also stay late at work without question!Wouldn't this be a case of experience that helps the 'older' technicians find out the practical solutions rather than a failure of the education system?
You're the researcher, right?
Although we learn calculus and all that at an earlier level, there is a repetition of it at the local uni level here. That's clearly a waste of time.
Also, US unis tend to teach critical thinking better than our local unis. Where they dismantle stuffs to really learn what goes on, our students here are more concerned with wanting to know which chapters to study for the exam so that they can "concentrate" only on the relevant subjects.
To score As if possible of course. But there's very little meaning or value in such a way of learning.
Is something wrong with our education system?
I don't have an answer to this but it is clear something is wrong with our system that is over emphasizing the importance of academic results. I know of someone whose kids had average results but he had the money to send them to good high schools in USA and they are now studying at Harvard and MIT. Perhaps, our system is good up to ''O" level but wonder how many of our "A" students actually qualify for places in top American universities.