Talk only. Show us some figures. Dun forget also about the prize money matching the market impact. Europe market impact vs Singapore market impact etc...
crazypaladin said:Talk only. Show us some figures.
eikin said:why don't you show us some figures as well, companies' balance sheets for organising competitions
Sadly, but I totally agree with you...poohbear said:Actually , most org are using so called competition to help them get photos , or otherwise they'll have to pay pro photographer, and it's because of some nonsense competition, professional are taking less of the cake. In the end, it's only the commuity will suffer.
Like said , there's always 2 side of the story. Before anyone should start a similar thread , maybe they want to think from other side 1st. Easy to just type out before thinking , always .......
crazypaladin said:If I have access to the company balance sheets, then I am in trouble. But no problem getting figures for publicized prize money right?:sticktong
No problem to Google right? it's all in the open web, what must spoon feed where to get URL as well?crazypaladin said:If I have access to the company balance sheets, then I am in trouble. But no problem getting figures for publicized prize money right?:sticktong
azul123 said:No problem to Google right? it's all in the open web, what must spoon feed where to get URL as well?
../azul123
Why don't you find one from Europe and the prize money is like what they pay here, then we have more to talk about.crazypaladin said:Find one for me, I do the rest for you.
azul123 said:Why don't you find one from Europe and the prize money is like what they pay here, then we have more to talk about.
../azul123
crazypaladin said:Anyway, you started it. All talk only. Only challenge and challenge but no results. I asked question, another reply with question and expect me to answer. We will answer those question in order it is asked. Period.
Back to my point, imagine one wants to get a picture for a purpose. He forked out his money and said I am willing to pay only this much for a photos from those who are willing to submit them. Some of the people walked away (Group A), saying money is too small an amount. Some wanted to join for the money, though it is measy compared to others but still a good amount to them (Group B). Yet some who participated or waiting to participate complained about the money (Group C). Now the key point of this thread is why Group C complained when they can simply behave like Group A? It's this simple.
One bait the willing, but the willing wanted to fight back?
Twisting and turning facts?crazypaladin said:Anyway, you started it. All talk only. Only challenge and challenge but no results. I asked question, you reply with question and expect me to answer. We will answer those question in order it is asked. Period.
crazypaladin said:Like-wise, dun just think about the price money being too small a sum to pay for a good photos. We only see the price money but have we considered the money put into organizing the event, the money that goes into publicizing the competition in various newspapers and websites? These probably cost more than just engaging a professional photographer! But why are the companies not going straight to professional? Because in the process of competition, they are already giving their company/products publicity liao.
So think about the other side as well... the companies are bleeding money too! Dun just focus on the prize money, focus on the photography!!!:sticktong
eikin said:you are mixing things up. prize money is one thing, rights is another. are you talking about rights or prize money?
crazypaladin said:I am talking about selling the the rights to the photos to the prize money, as implied or stipulated in the competition. I mean, one has a choice in deciding the rights to this photos is worth this much or not right?
To the amateur, his thinking could be: "My photos is now worth to nothing. But this prize money buying over the rights to it is still worth it" (Group B).
To the professional/others, his thinking could be: "My photos is definitely worth alot. This prize money buying over the rights to it is Not worth it I am walking away" (Group A).
To the remaining group C, his thinking could be: "My photos is now worth something. This prize money buying over the rights to it is not worth it. I am still joining but it's unfair" (Group C).
My point being: to each his individual choice. If you are willing, dun complain. Not willing, dun join.
azul123 said:Twisting and turning facts?
I raised issue with sparing a thought for the pro who find it hard to make a living and issue with the competition paying next to nothing, it was you who started this noble approach of comparisons on how much it cost to organize etc...
Let me remind you in case you turn on selective memory.
Why should I waste my energy on you and searching it for you, what don't know how to Google is it?
../azul123
eikin said:and so what about organisers who take away the rights of pictures that do not win anything?
crazypaladin said:I admit the rules are not good. but one joins the competition know the rules fully right? Really, if one is not happy, then dun join. It's that simple. Does complaining MAKES them change their mind? Will there be people who still dun mind? (I bet lots of it) Some just wanted a free publicity of their winning entry, for the fun of photography. Some just want the money. It's all about willingness in the FIRST place.