well, you read the review so you probably can judge by yourself from what you will be using it for.So is this camera worth it to get? For a travellers camera?
well, you read the review so you probably can judge by yourself from what you will be using it for.So is this camera worth it to get? For a travellers camera?
Why are you guys arguing about this? There is a time and place for every camera and FZ18 do fulfill specific needs...
Mind you, some ppl do want to consider the following:
1) Handling (It's not just the weight yeah)
2) Framing (The FZ18 has a 100% viewfinder/LCD coverage)
3) "LiveView" - You can more or less see the result prior to pressing the shutter button for the FZ18 and adjust accordingly, can that be done with the D40?
A lot of ppl rely on IS/VR on SLRs too you know ;p
Edit: I saw the link given, impressive capability for the Pany! Loving it XD
The feel of the slr is much less cramped than the fz18, my friend has a fz18 so I tried it before.(Your fingers crumple behind the protruding grip for the camera dude)
Cmon the viewfinder in the slr is accurate enough I don't see a point getting exactly 100% in exchange for viewing quality which unlike an slr(you get what you see) and the fz18 cannot supply. You can even have a depth of field preview on the d40 which is important for composing shots and the fz18 "live view" is unable to do.
As I said in my earlier post and im repeating this again, "live view" should only be used in cases when you are unable to bend down to a certain angle, in most cases you are able to view the viewfinder if you bend down and you should always try to use the viewfinder as when you press the camera against your face, you steady the camera at the same time, giving you a better chance to get a sharp shot as compared to looking at the live view in your shaking hands.....
Yes they rely on IS/VR but it does not help significantly that you can throw away the tripod. Ive seen the fz18 IS mechanism shake the picture while its on a tripod -_- I had to turn it off to stop the shot from shaking(the tripod was a ballhead so no flimsy tripod issues it held my slr with a 100-400mm before without slipping or shaking...please don't argue about this thing) try it for yourself I know about the mode 1 mode 2 thing...... and the thing was on mode 1 suprisingly. Which goes to show the mechanism does help you to drop the speed by juz a little but not very significant.
And panning can be done by almost any camera you just need to get the angle right.
Plus I forgot to add one more thing, when I was using my friends fz18, I noticed that the flash was seriously underpowered and there was no flash expansion slot. Even the canon G9 has a slot for the flash. Plus the thing about the dynamic range that I had explained earlier. If it was priced around $400 I would say its worth your cash and is a lovelyl camera for that price put put it slightly below a d40, then its too overpriced for the equipment its giving you plus the d40 retain more resale value as compared to the fz18.
Ive covered all the grounds, give me something new, not repetitive like the live view thing....... Im sorry if I sound hostile but just trying to prove my point.
Well the first point I would think that it is highly subjective lar, so I don't think anyone is right or wrong here...
Actually with regard to the 2nd point, my personal experience is that, what you see on the viewfinder may not be what you get in the end!
This was rather emphasised to me when I tried out a friend's 300D during an event two years ago... yes, everything looks nice on the viewfinder but the end results (P mode? heh) speaks otherwise.
I still believe in proper framing and composition which will speak volumes above image quality. How many shots have you seen that are clear and sharp but lack everything else?
I suspect that you have a very narrow-minded view of how LiveView should be used. For my photography, it helps me preview on the imagery I want, and adjust accordingly.
For the IS/VR issue, I may not have been clear on this. Well, because you say about people relying too much on image stabilization, what say you to the SLR peeps who lug along their IS/VR lenses? I do apologise if I didn't make it clear heh
And lastly, the D40 and the D40x does not have a DOF preview at all (Yeap, I am getting a DSLR next month so I was doing my research on which cameras to buy)
PS. I do realize that the tone of your posting is rather confrontational, although you probably are a bit too young to realise it. It's okay lar, at the end of the day, as long as everyone is happy taking photos, why bother with the camera used right?
well, prosumer and dSLR got nothing to compare with...
some just prefer the way prosumer is (compact, light, no trouble with changing lens... etc)
while on the other hand some will take dSLR anytime for the speed, ability to "customise" your setup, image quality... and the list just goes on...
I wun say which is better, if im serious, i go for dSLR otherwise i think Prosumer or even PnS fit the bill.
poweful, but for all the other trouble of changing lenses... etc, it might not fit everyone.Thats what im talking about For all the powerful features of a slr you only need to pay slightly more than this camera.
poweful, but for all the other trouble of changing lenses... etc, it might not fit everyone.
its about the same like choosing a MP4 player with HUGE screen yet you only use it to listen to mp3, pretty pointless isn't it? carrying around a huge thingy without even using them.
and yes, im one of those who choose a smaller player over any huge and nice LCD mp4 player as portability is one of my main concern...
so what? the weight is still about twice that of the fz18... :dunno:About the lens part, please read my previous post ive already mentioned about it.
so what? the weight is still about twice that of the fz18... :dunno:
and yes, changing of lens is just ONE of the con that i mention for dSLR, there are still many more of them for one to avoid getting dSLR. price is another 1 even with the cheapest k100d body + any of the super zoom 18-200 or 18-250.. etc, the cost is still close to 2x of fz18.
unless you telling me that kit lens offer the same zoom ratio as a 18-200 or 18-250... 1st you talk about those lens, after that kit lens.. :dunno:Read the part of my post about the kit lens and superzoom. Repeat arguments.... post here when you find something new....
unless you telling me that kit lens offer the same zoom ratio as a 18-200 or 18-250... 1st you talk about those lens, after that kit lens.. :dunno:
and yes, if in this world dSLR is so superior to PnS/Prosumer, why do so many brands (sony, canon, nikon, pana, oly) still produce them?? its simply because the style of using them is MUCH better to the consumer (live-view is one of the attraction)
unless you can prove that ALL starters do not need the extra zoom from fz18, the price of a dSLR with lenses for the "extra zoom", don mind the extra weight, "Live view". If not I don't see why your explaination could stand for EVERYONE.
and I shall repeat, different people or application have different needs. Prosumer might suit more than a dSLR at many times.
I wun say anymore, if you still can't understand why some prefer prosumer over dSLR, good luck and live with your dSLR. :thumbsup:
As I said you don't understand where im coming from.... im not against why people choose prosumer but if the prosumer price is so close to the dslr you might as well choose another brand or type of prosumer or get the dslr. I think i repeat this like 5 or 6 times already.
And if zoom range is "THAT" important, don't you think all the pns compacts would come with superzooms already? Yet they still have the standard zoom range. That goes to show that super zoom is just another of their "fancy" features to make you pay more there you go proof. Plus live view has been in pns all the while cause they can't see through the lens, I don't see why there is a sudden "live view" feature poping out, its been around for ages... more proof.
Well I do understand why people prefer prosumer but for the price "this" prosumer is a :thumbsd: ultimately if youre serious enough youre still gonna go for the dslr so why make the extra step? Don't get me wrong, I had a lumix superzoom before "mentioned in my previous post" then i made the progress to dslr and I nvr turned back I felt the prosumer was kinda restricted after 1 week and regret buying the prosumer. Just my advice, if you have the budget for this cam, pay a little more for the dslr, trust me its worth it!
OK OK I (and many others) know the the prosumer price is so close to the dslr and you have 1001 justifications for the dslr - but ultimately I (and many others) still like the prosumer and much prefer it over the dslr OK?
Please learn to respect that other people have different views and likes from yours