Freelance Model Thoughts on Photography

[mattlock]

Why is everyone so worried about terminology? you get all defined by the definitions and restrictions you place upon yourself.
so what is "fine art" photography
a bunch of black and white prints of landscapes and nudes?

 

[catchlights]

passion for $ lor.:bsmilie:

when someone ask me to shoot with passion, the real meaning is ask me to shoot for free or dirt cheap.

yup, I have passion, but let me feed myself and my family first than we talk ok??

:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[garou12]

Please can you kindly clarify what you so strongly assert?

My understanding of "commercial", and in this case "commercial photography", is that the prime motivation of commercial transactions is profit. Is my understanding wrong? What is the accepted understanding of a commercial product? What is the meaning of COMMERCIAL, as asked by Mr garou12?

I did not at all imply that there is no creativity involved in commercial photography. But the prime objective of commercial photography is to maximise financial returns.

In what way is this misguided? And "damn misguided"?

the goal of commerical photog, just like advertising, is to sell your product. Creativity comes second place as long the message to sell or remind is effective enough to get the point across to the targeted audience. The entire mise-en-scen within a commerical shot/ad is carefully choreographed to get the product or brand maximum exposure or to direct the viewer's eye towards said item. One can be as creative as they want but in this field it comes 2nd place towards the goal of selling. Why else do you think that everything needs to be approved by the creative director and the clients? There's a very good reason why there are only few truly out there creative ads, mainly because if the audience cannot tell what the hell your message is, then wouldn't the $$$ you spent on creating the ad be wasted?

 

[AverRal]

I see an interesting mixture of people here.

Question: "So you do photography for passion?"

Photographer A: " No, i do it for money. Passion = Money. "

Photographer B: "Yes, i would strave just to take photos."

Photographer C: "Its my passion, but i got to dam earn a living too!"

 

[garou12]

Why is everyone so worried about terminology? you get all defined by the definitions and restrictions you place upon yourself.
so what is "fine art" photography
a bunch of black and white prints of landscapes and nudes?

i think its more to do with prehaps that she is feeling stifled and unable to undertake the concepts she would like to see or execute in her line of work.

 

[garou12]

I see an interesting mixture of people here.

Question: "So you do photography for passion?"

Photographer A: " No, i do it for money. Passion = Money. "

Photographer B: "Yes, i would strave just to take photos."

Photographer C: "Its my passion, but i got to dam earn a living too!"

Any good and experienced commerical photog will tell you that most of the time they do commerical photog to pay the bills so they have the resources to pursue and do the concept stuff that they want. But they try to express themselves within their own work within the boundaries that the field places on them but only have free reign when it is their own concept that they are pursuing.

 

[chngpe01]

This thread is nothing more than kopitiam talk. As such I am moving it to where it belongs - kopitiam. Not Photo Biz.

 

[Deadpoet]

Please can you kindly clarify what you so strongly assert?

My understanding of "commercial", and in this case "commercial photography", is that the prime motivation of commercial transactions is profit. Is my understanding wrong? What is the accepted understanding of a commercial product? What is the meaning of COMMERCIAL, as asked by Mr garou12?

I did not at all imply that there is no creativity involved in commercial photography. But the prime objective of commercial photography is to maximise financial returns.

In what way is this misguided? And "damn misguided"?

READ MY POST. Don't read selectively. Then you might get it.

I see an interesting mixture of people here.

Question: "So you do photography for passion?"

Photographer A: " No, i do it for money. Passion = Money. "

Photographer B: "Yes, i would strave just to take photos."

Photographer C: "Its my passion, but i got to dam earn a living too!"

At the end of the day, photographer B will not be shooting for a long time, and may never be able to fulfill the dreams. Starving led to death, kind of hard to shoot when dead.

Personally, I identify with Photographer C. Hence, I have a day job.

 

[catchlights]

I see an interesting mixture of people here.

Question: "So you do photography for passion?"

Photographer A: " No, i do it for money. Passion = Money. "

Photographer B: "Yes, i would strave just to take photos."

Photographer C: "Its my passion, but i got to dam earn a living too!"

that's nothing wrong with that, if somebody can feed the photographers, like daddy or mummy, sugar or real one, else you have to take to dead people about "pure" passion for photography.

 

[jeanie]

when someone ask me to shoot with passion, the real meaning is ask me to shoot for free or dirt cheap.

yup, I have passion, but let me feed myself and my family first than we talk ok??

:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

i totally agree with you.

no $ how to have passion?
no $, no camera, passion for photography only happens when you are sleeping.

 

[AverRal]

LOL @ "Starving led to death, kind of hard to shoot when dead."

I think i should be looking for dead photographers at graveyards instead of forums.

 

[Klose]

Another strong-willed and gusty idealistic one attempting to reshape the world of photography... sigh.. won't you people just give up? You obviously have no clue how commercial photography works out and neither does the faculty of business teach you that.

 

[Anjinnete Ross]

Why is everyone so worried about terminology? you get all defined by the definitions and restrictions you place upon yourself.
so what is "fine art" photography
a bunch of black and white prints of landscapes and nudes?

Dear Mr mattlock

What am I to assume what you are writing? Do you and I have the same assumptions for the words you use? Or shall I take it that what you wrote and what you meant may be totally different because the intended meaning of words, as you seem to suggest, may not be what they originally intended?

Isn't that anarchy? But of course, to you there is no anarchy, because words can mean anything you decide they should mean?

Perhaps you should not write at all because you appear to have unrestricted definitions of commonly used words. And because your intended undeerstanding of words is so unrestricted, how is anyone to understand what you meant by what you wrote? And therefore are you not wasting your time?

 

[AverRal]

I have to agree with you guys that commercialisation is needed to keep the ricebowl on the table but it has limitations to it (according to market demand).

So where do all the artsy people go to?
Maybe we can have a graveyard gathering someday.

 

[jeanie]

I have to agree with you guys that commercialisation is needed to keep the ricebowl on the table but it has limitations to it (according to market demand).

So where do all the artsy people go to?
Maybe we can have a graveyard gathering someday.

it doesnt mean people who put priority on getting food on table has no artistical talents what...

 

[Anjinnete Ross]

Another strong-willed and gusty idealistic one attempting to reshape the world of photography... sigh.. won't you people just give up? You obviously have no clue how commercial photography works out and neither does the faculty of business teach you that.

Dear MR Klose,

I really do not see the threadstarter "trying to reshape the world of photography". Where did you get that impression?

All she wanted to do was to make photographs for herself which are not commercially motivated. Is that wrong? Does she have to give that up?

If she has no clue how commercial photography works, would it not be nice in a community like this for you (I assume you are a commercial photographer - since you gave the impression that you do have some clue how commercial photography works) to try to share what she was misguided, as alleged by someone else?

 

[catchlights]

LOL @ "Starving led to death, kind of hard to shoot when dead."

I think i should be looking for dead photographers at graveyards instead of forums.

hello,
if you want to dream,
you have to be alive,
you want to be alive,
you need to eat.

unless you are a fairy.

if you are a fairy, please make us all become top photographers,
so we can shoot for you FREE.

 

[AverRal]

Another strong-willed and gusty idealistic one attempting to reshape the world of photography... sigh.. won't you people just give up? You obviously have no clue how commercial photography works out and neither does the faculty of business teach you that.

You are right. I have no clue. Welcome to my world.

 

[AverRal]

it doesnt mean people who put priority on getting food on table has no artistical talents what...

They do, in fact there are many talented commercial photographers out there, but don't they feel limited by their client needs instead of theirs?

 

[garou12]

They do, in fact there are many talented commercial photographers out there, but don't they feel limited by their client needs instead of theirs?

they've all learned to work within the box and scratch their creative needs in their own outside projects. Something you should do well to note and learn from instead of getting defensive with people here.