its more rewarding when the model is willing to see him or herself as a partner in your creative process and both work together.
true but sadly very few models think likewise.
its more rewarding when the model is willing to see him or herself as a partner in your creative process and both work together.
I would NEVER pay a model for a photoshoot. Normally the client would pay the models for advertising purposes. Those who pay for model shoot organize by various organisers on CS should understand the models (good or average) have earn more than enough liao.
In fact those who paid model shoots should not give any photos to the models at all. Whether is cheap or expensive shoots, nothing is free in this world.
I have seen and heard from some of my model friends that there are many suckers (photographers who paid for a model shoot) who gives out photos to models freely. Man.....this way the models are making money both directions. Guys, those are just models.......don't get charm by them because they are pretty, hot and sexy.
I know working and fulltime photographers guard their work closely as this is part of their income. If a model wants any photo, they will have to pay for it. (this is always the BEST option)
If you want to give them, make sure you have a watermark embedded on the photos is big enough with your email or website address. At least the audience know it's your work and may look for you for additional services. Everything has to be balance and work both ways.
I think its a vicious cycle...free photographers..free models...its hard for anyone to make a decent living.
My suggestion is for you to book your models from the agencies and you can cast to select the ones that best suit your needs and have the ability to deliver. However, if you really need free test shoots, you got to support the models/agencies in other commercial projects so a meaningful and long lasting relationship can be established to get free test shoot models. You cant expect them to support you for free forever ma...
Its a lot easier to get a good folio from models in a agency. Attached a few for you to enquire. A half day(4 hours) private portfolio shoot range from $100-$500. Some of the agencies like carries/phantom/Ave has its own in-house production team of fashion stylist/makeup/hair and you can arrange a package deal with them.
* Ave Models (http://www.avemanagement.com/) look for Chuando/Jimmy
* Mannequin (http://www.mannequin.com.sg/) look for Sarafina/Yvonne
* Carries (http://www.carriemodels.com/) look for Jane/Kit/Monica
* T-Models (http://www.t-models.net/) look for Serine/Christ
* Looque (http://www.looque.com.sg/) look for Calvin Cheng/Katrina/Jolin
* Upfront (http://www.upfrontmodels.com/) Look for Watson/Ewan
* Diva (http://www.divamodels.com.sg/) Look for Roweena/Angie
* Phantom (www.phantom.com.sg) Look for Patricia/Vivien/Esther
* Zunion (http://www.zunion.net/) Look for Zee
* Linsan/Electra (http://www.electramanagement.com/) Look for Collin/Renee
* Ezen (http://www.ezenmodelz.com/) Look for Esther/May
* Perspectives (http://www.perspectivesmodels.com/) Look for Kirk
* Modelinque (http://www.modelsnco.com/) Look for Jordan
With regards to freelance models, its really a touch and go. You cant find really good ones unless they have done a multitude of jobs and shoots and have tons of experiences.
I will pass you a list of very good freelancers but their rates are almost the same as getting girls from the agency. Let me know if you need help on that
Cheers,
Tuck
Throw you a question. So do the models represented the agencies that you mentioned above would asked for any of their photos from the photographers?
I know some of them (the top models) couldn't care less but those who are quite new would sometimes ask if they can have some of the photos taken by us?.
The part in bold is well said - not sure why this is done, and the funny thing is some models even EXPECT to be given photos after a shoot
I do note that there are some accounts of advertising agencies hiring models, and then giving them photos of the shoots after that - that is often an example cited to these photographers to entice them to give photographs.
I have the same situation with you. I dont pay for models to shoot unless its a commercial project. Sometimes we do give them a lower res copies of the editorial/advertorial/ad pic out of good will (of course they must be nice to work with and only when they ask nicely)
As for the testshoots, we do get request from agencies/ Fashion label to testshoot their models/ clothes but we dont really have the time nowadays. Have pass such lobangs to emerging photographers in Clubsnap to link up with the agencies to testshoot with them. So far its encouraging to see them progress and starting to pitch for commercial projects with the experience and knowledge gained from those testshoots and of course a wonderful commercial grade lifestyle and fashion portfolio.
As for those models which I helped fellow photographers arranged from agencies for private and portfolio shoots (paid ones)...there is no need to give photos to the models at all unless out of goodwill
Bro, thanks for your valuable feedback! Appreciated.
Must meet up one day for kopi!
as much as it fulfils the task at hand.
cheap models doesnt mean bad photos; nothing wrong with guiding the model with your vision and ideas; its collaborative and reinforces your communication skills
expensive models doesnt mean good photos either; sometimes u just need a fresh face, a newbie, someone open to ideas and trying out new things.
its more rewarding when the model is willing to see him or herself as a partner in your creative process and both work together.
I would NEVER pay a model for a photoshoot. Normally the client would pay the models for advertising purposes. Those who pay for model shoot organize by various organisers on CS should understand the models (good or average) have earn more than enough liao.
In fact those who paid model shoots should not give any photos to the models at all. Whether is cheap or expensive shoots, nothing is free in this world.
I have seen and heard from some of my model friends that there are many suckers (photographers who paid for a model shoot) who gives out photos to models freely. Man.....this way the models are making money both directions. Guys, those are just models.......don't get charm by them because they are pretty, hot and sexy.
I know working and fulltime photographers guard their work closely as this is part of their income. If a model wants any photo, they will have to pay for it. (this is always the BEST option)
If you want to give them, make sure you have a watermark embedded on the photos is big enough with your email or website address. At least the audience know it's your work and may look for you for additional services. Everything has to be balance and work both ways.
I've not given out any photos to models b4 as they have nvr asked anyway, but I was juz thinking tt if they were to ask from me, I will "ee tze, ee tze" give them some low res ones. Is this acceptable? :dunno:
$20-$30 an hr for a mundane job also will guarantee a mundane salary at the end of every mundane month. Whether the one behind the mundane job is really working or surfing CS on company time at the end of the month the mundane pay will come.
Just a question for discussion here.
How much would you pay to shoot a model?
I have come across models whose asking fee is $80 to $150 per hour depending on the theme of the shoot. But I have to question, how do they justify their rates?
Does having a pretty face and sexy body mean they can charge more? But what kind of training did they have?
Several of the models I shot cant pose to save their lives. I have to guide them to pose and even teach them on their facial expression, which usually dosent work. Then when the picture didnt turn out well...they would quietly say its the photographer lousy.
I guess some of the blame does have to go to the photographer, but if Im paying top dollar for a model, is it too much to expect some standard from her?
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its more rewarding when the model is willing to see him or herself as a partner in your creative process and both work together.
true but sadly very few models think likewise.
If one does a simple calculation on those CS organised photoshoots, it appears to be very profitable for the models (say est $60 x 18 shooters for 3 hrs = $1080 x 3 models) but in fact, most of us know that the models are getting only about $150 each for their job and most of the income goes to the organisers. In this case, about $630 for the organiser vs $450 for the 3 models. I dont think it is a lot of money for the model but really a good income for the part-time organiser ....:think: Apology if my sum is wrong.Those who pay for model shoot organize by various organisers on CS should understand the models (good or average) have earn more than enough liao.
The one that can deliver the image should command the higher rate.Some foods for thought .... :think:
Who should command a higher rate (not necessarily as what $ you are willing to pay)?
1. An experienced (as in able to pose and natural) part-timer model, vs a full-time, accredited (as in with a famous agency) average model?
2. An average looking, accredited model vs a VERY good looking newbie model?
3. A model before vs after she wins a beauty/model contest (and the skill is still intact, but not the reputation)?
4. A model doing sexy(as in showing as much skin as in bikini or lingerie) fashion shoot, vs bikini shoot vs lingerie shoot?
5. A part-time model (say a student) vs another part-time model (say a SIA girl)?