WT**** things are getting bad, but I really did not realise, it's that bad!!!
- Thread starter Deadpoet
- Start date
- Status
Actually i tot we shd be used to these shoots liao??? happened so many times, and such was these discussions for many occasions, just let them be loh.
anyway, why shd ppl waste money on these shoots???
anyway, why shd ppl waste money on these shoots???
Just let them be lor......
Just take it that they are there just to take record shots for their XMMs collection.
Just take it that they are there just to take record shots for their XMMs collection.
First let me address your last statement. I am a hobbyist. I have reasonably high expectation. I also have some sense what works and what not. What works has nothing to do with cost, it has to do with our own standard and expectation, and go get it. Maybe yours are very different.
If times are bad, shouldn't models and organizers shoulder part of the load and charge less?
Cost is the same if 5 photographers set out to hire a model, spend 2-3 hours working with her. We all did it way back then when AJ, Astin, Vince, just to name a few of the old guys, were organizing. Modelinn is doing that now.
But what the GWCs want, is the buffet style mass orgy shoots.
I am not at all laying any blames onto the organizers nor the models. They supply what photographers want. I am saying, and putting the blame squarely on the GWCs, who wants 4, 5, 6 models, more the merrier, because all they care is to machine gunned 100 shots in 10+ minutes minutes, next model. Cost is the same, now, they have more so called "trophies" to grace their desktops.
Disgusting.
Solution? There is none, but that does not mean the current situation is anything that is acceptable. Why is the overall standard of photography in the portraits forum on a death spiral? Because GWCs do not care.
Realli... venting it here also like that...
stay kool... no let it affect your mood to hoot your "the ONE" pic!
sometimes... market change, even society change....
V
vince123123
Guest
More lights? I got another 9 lights to throw in, total 4100W in all
Got another 2400Ws to throw in.
We are up to 15,600W. Not quite 2000W per model at that 8 model shoot leh. A problem. We need more lights.
Btw guys, I shoot alone, you cannot shoot while I am shoot ah :nono:
...
We will make jing moonlight as the stylist
V
vince123123
Guest
That is actually the key, not so much the no. per group, but the no. of groups. Cos for the organiser, for that same Saturday that he/she takes off work/leisure, more groups means a greater multiplier of profits for the same amount of time.
Back in the days where organisers care about the quality of the shoot, only one model at a time per 3 hour session
Back in the days where organisers care about the quality of the shoot, only one model at a time per 3 hour session
V
vince123123
Guest
Actually the funny thing is, for the shoots nowadays, where there are so many models in a session, sometimes out of the 5 featured, I only like one. Then the question in my mind for a long time is, should I join? I only will be shooting what I want 1/5 of the time, and most of the time, I'll pass. If that 1 had been the only one featured, I would have joined in a snap.
Very good point and exactly my sentiments on a lot of these mass groupo shoot as well ...
Mix in the newbie models with 1 or 2 anchor models and try to get 15-24 photogs to come and shoot everything ... And this is the "better situation" ...
There are some budget shoots that just throw together a few newbies without much experience ... no concept or theme at all ... and just charge for the shoot ... "Recession - Budget Shoot"
I guess the resulting photos tell all .....
V
vince123123
Guest
What they do is to have the anchor models draw in the crowds, but boost their profitabilty by mixing in the newbie models which charge cheap rates.
May the force be with you.
I believe more in the Jedi Knight.:bsmilie:Hmm... I do receive feedbacks from photographers about having the ratio too high and also short timings among intervals. I understand that this will be something we are looking at.:think:
Times bad why, you won't believe it i tell you some guy will wait out for me early in the morning before JBP doors open just to ask me the tripod i have is that a 'stand', and wait until i finish shooting owls look all over the park for me ask me again for my tripod "where you get the 'stand' from".
Amateur :bsmilie:
Amateur :bsmilie:
Last edited:
"we measure success by the number of keeper shots we have.
they measure success by the number of shots they have with the xmm"
they measure success by the number of shots they have with the xmm"
Chill bro.
I am cool. Literally, in an air conditioned room chilled to 19C
Now that i am chilled. The GWC must not be successful at all, we rarely see their trophies, pictures of themselves with the XMM ...
that is kept for their secret trophy room.
it is set aside just for prints of xmm.
quantity is more important than quality, when it comes to the gwc trophy hunter :bsmilie:
NO ... they cannot show the pictures of themselves with the xmm .... less the wife,girlfriend or families find out what they are doing on the weekend morning .... then they will be banned from shooting xmm .... there won't be enough GWC to support these 24 photog with 6 model shoots ....
this would be disasterous headlines ....
"Sudden drop in GWC forces shoot organisers out of weekend business ... Models complain that business has been slow ..."
we must think ... and be considerate in times of recession ....
:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
JOKE mode OFF .....
- Status
Similar threads
