Would You Say The Pledge

[kuanwk]

Agreed... im sure those who have heard those m'sia cup final roars in hdb blocks...would have tingles running down their spines and the feel good europhia. Good show of how united we really are in love for our country. :thumbsup:

Just like to share this para by someone from new paper..
dun think there's any pt linking it as newpaper links expires pretty soon..

"BEFORE the English Premier League, there was the Malaysia Cup.

For 90 minutes every week, Singaporeans of all ages, races and religions would forget their differences and come together for the nation-building exercise of yelling unprintable things at the referee."

I look around then and I always thought that's what "Regardless of race language religion or bank account" mean..

 

[Simon_84]

I have an issue with one line in the pledge that makes me feel it is kinda hypocritical:
"To build a democratic society"

I have never seen democracy here nor seen our leaders endeavour to fulfil this in any way.
The rest of the lines, yes, we have been working towards the other issues.

:bsmilie: perhaps that's the reason why you will never see a non-chinese become a pm...

 

[Ninja23XX]

My friend sent me this modified pledge. Kinda funny.

The Pledge:

We the passengers of MRT, poise ourselves as 1 united "kiasu". Regardless of pregnant women, elderly & little children, to "chiong" in when the doors open, so as to achieve seats, sleep & rest, and progress for our nation.:bsmilie::bsmilie:


Kinda funny, but at the same embrassing as well, to see Singaporeans behave like such in public that almost everyone can anticipate our moves. It's time we changed a little. Be more humane.:thumbsup::heart:


GMAN

 

[WuffRuff]

:bsmilie: perhaps that's the reason why you will never see a non-chinese become a pm...

This may not be true, because we've had non-chinese presidents.
We've only had 3 PMs so far so the sample size is too small to make a conclusion like this.

My friend sent me this modified pledge. Kinda funny.

The Pledge:

We the passengers of MRT, poise ourselves as 1 united "kiasu". Regardless of pregnant women, elderly & little children, to "chiong" in when the doors open, so as to achieve seats, sleep & rest, and progress for our nation.:bsmilie::bsmilie:

Should edit last line...
"and progress for our journey."

 

[Simon_84]

This may not be true, because we've had non-chinese presidents.
We've only had 3 PMs so far so the sample size is too small to make a conclusion like this.

but somehow there is one former pm who managed to out-live quite a few of the former presidents already...seems like the role of the pm > president.
in other sense, the president is more like a designation.

 

[hongsien]

I have an issue with one line in the pledge that makes me feel it is kinda hypocritical:
"To build a democratic society"

I have never seen democracy here nor seen our leaders endeavour to fulfil this in any way.
The rest of the lines, yes, we have been working towards the other issues.

Anyway, it is too awkward to stand up and say the pledge in my living room in front of the TV (or anywhere for that matter).
But as I watched the people say the pledge on TV, I am with them in spirit... it is still my country's pledge, no matter what.

Well, it wasn't written by the government, endorsed only

HS

 

[WuffRuff]

but somehow there is one former pm who managed to out-live quite a few of the former presidents already...seems like the role of the pm > president.
in other sense, the president is more like a designation.

Yup, this is true...
But still, the weight of the roles are not far apart, which is why I made a comparison.
In any case, there is no basis to assume that our PMs will always be Chinese.
Just going by probability, Sg is abt 70% Chinese, so there is 70% chance that any role here would be held by a Chinese.

 

[WuffRuff]

Well, it wasn't written by the government, endorsed only

HS

That's good enough... endorsing something means you approve of it.
If you approve of a pledge by endorsing it as a government, it means that you will live by it.
And if you say something as a vow (a pledge is a form of vow too), it means that you are proclaiming that you will live/do as it says.
E.g. you did not write your wedding vows, but when you say it, it means you are making a promise to live/do to your spouse as it says.

 

[hongsien]

That's good enough... endorsing something means you approve of it.
If you approve of a pledge by endorsing it as a government, it means that you will live by it.
And if you say something as a vow (a pledge is a form of vow too), it means that you are proclaiming that you will live/do as it says.
E.g. you did not write your wedding vows, but when you say it, it means you are making a promise to live/do to your spouse as it says.

The writer had lofty ideals........

 

[shadowpartner]

said it in the end with my fellow photographers at the esplanade

 

[WuffRuff]

said it in the end with my fellow photographers at the esplanade

Wahhh... U guys should stand in one row in front of Merlion and say pledge and take a photo. :bsmilie:

 

[hongsien]

I have an issue with one line in the pledge that makes me feel it is kinda hypocritical:
"To build a democratic society"

I have never seen democracy here nor seen our leaders endeavour to fulfil this in any way.
The rest of the lines, yes, we have been working towards the other issues.

Anyway, it is too awkward to stand up and say the pledge in my living room in front of the TV (or anywhere for that matter).
But as I watched the people say the pledge on TV, I am with them in spirit... it is still my country's pledge, no matter what.

Anyway, some countries in the 60's and some even now, are still not ready for 'democracy', as this will spell chaos. Cause some people don't understand democracy, they think it means freedom, that one can do whatever one wishes with disregard of people around them (see Indonesia after downfall of Suharto). I was born in Indonesia (but migrated to Europe when I was 7), and what I see there now happening, is just ridiculous. Most people there have a disregard of the rule of law, they are not afraid of the police or army anymore. They just park their cars anywhere on the road........the corruption now is so much more than under Suharto (then it was very much confined to a group).

For countries like Indonesia, China, India, one need a strong leader to push things through, to bring the country into a certain direction. Singapore was in this state in the 60's when the *** came into power, if not for *** having a strong vision then, Singapore wouldn't be where it is now.

But nothing is perfect, even LKY is not perfect, there is room for improvements all the time, but you can't please everyone...........certainly not WuffRuff :bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie:

I think Singapore now is having a hard time finding someone as strong minded and more importantly having a clear and farsight view as LKY had

HS

 

[hongsien]

*** = ***

 

[ricohflex]

Most of us have said it countless times as students.
So what is the big deal of purposely letting other people see us say it in public?
What is the point?

Compare two persons
One Mr. A who has served NS, and countless ICTs, IPPTs, BCTCs etc....

Another Mr. B "foreign talent" citizen who has never served NS and never will...

B makes a big show of saying pledge in public.

A does not.

Draw your own conclusion.

 

[Yappy]

National Pledge:

ENGLISH

We, the citizens of Singapore
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion,
to build a democratic society,
based on justice and equality,
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and
progress for our nation.

MALAY

Kami, warganegara Singapura,
sebagai rakyat yang bersatu padu,
tidak kira apa bangsa, bahasa, atau ugama,
berikrar untuk membina suatu masyarakat yang demokratik,
berdasarkan kepada keadilan dan persamaan
untuk mencapai kebahagiaan,
kemakmuran dan kemajuan bagi negara kami.

CHINESE

我们是新加坡公民，
誓愿不分种族、言语、宗教，
团结一致，
建设公正平等
的民主社会，
并为实现国家之幸福、繁荣与进步，
共同努力。

TAMIL

சிங்கப்பூர் குடிமக்களாகிய நாம் இனம்,மொழி,மதம்
ஆகிய வேற்றுமைகளை மறந்து ஒன்றுபட்டு,நம் நாடு
மகிழ்ச்சி,வளம்,முன்னேற்றம் ஆகியவற்றை அடையும்
வண்ணம் சமத்துவத்தையும்,நீதியையும்
அடிப்படையாக கொண்ட ஜனாயக
சமுதாயத்தை உருவாக்குவதற்கு
உறுதி மேற்கொள்வோ!

:thumbsup:

I said the pledge at 8.22pm on 9 Aug !!!

 

[Yappy]

no I wouldn't, namely coz I'm two hours ahead of everything, and also because...

I don't care and even if I did care, I can't be bothered.

Are you from Singapore?

If you are, you have directly or indirectly contributed to the nation building of Singapore!

Are you aware of that?

 

[Yappy]

Actually it's a no, if i was busy doing something. Imo, I don't need to wayang to show my love for my country, unless i was really idle and the pledge was played within earshot. :lovegrin:

True colours can only be seen under adversity, then we can see who runs, and who stays and fight. :thumbsup:

Well said!

U have the right to do so as long as you are loyal to Singapore!

 

[Yappy]

The pledge is a oath, a promise, a deal. It symbolizes the unison of varied races, melted and then re-woven into a colorful fabric called Singapore. The end result is to allow the country to prosper and to have a shelter on every man's head.

Perhaps we should not take it lightly and instead continue in our pursuit to guard the peace that nearly took half a century to set in place.

We may not have a perfect country or perfect system, but we have in place an island called home.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Dont take thing for granted!

All of us have actually contributed to the building our nation wearing different hats!

Agreed?

 

[terryansimon]

Are you from Singapore?

If you are, you have directly or indirectly contributed to the nation building of Singapore!

Are you aware of that?

and what does reciting the pledge have anything to do with my contribution to Singapore?

it's like marriage vows. just because I recite the vows in front of the priest and my future missus, that does not instantly mean that I am imbued with the forces of nature and the cosmos into making sure that I do what I vowed to do. ultimately, it is merely for ceremonial purposes, because at the end of the day, it's my actions that determine whether I live by those vows.

same for the pledge. just because I did not recite them at 8.22pm, it does not symbolise anything more/less than what I have done for the nation.

which is why I said in my previous post. what is more important is the education of the morals and ethics of being a citizen, rather than just telling people to do something just for the sake of doing it.

 

[Yappy]

and what does reciting the pledge have anything to do with my contribution to Singapore?

it's like marriage vows. just because I recite the vows in front of the priest and my future missus, that does not instantly mean that I am imbued with the forces of nature and the cosmos into making sure that I do what I vowed to do. ultimately, it is merely for ceremonial purposes, because at the end of the day, it's my actions that determine whether I live by those vows.

same for the pledge. just because I did not recite them at 8.22pm, it does not symbolise anything more/less than what I have done for the nation.

which is why I said in my previous post. what is more important is the education of the morals and ethics of being a citizen, rather than just telling people to do something just for the sake of doing it.

I agreed with you wholeheartedly.

A Chinese saying.. People of different character eat the same type of rice!