calebk said:
Can a 2nd hand 300D satisfy your needs?
Its a good camera and its already depreciated.
What to do? Parental issues.
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Can a 2nd hand 300D satisfy your needs?
Its a good camera and its already depreciated.
calebk,
It might be a more economically feasible methodology to get a resale 20D with an appropriate lens for your particular needs. It will most likely last at least 3 years or more, depending on how you take care of it, and not shoot willy-nilly like what I did a long time ago. Then build a portfolio of your works, then keep on revising it. Each shoot you go for, paid or unpaid, client-assigned or self-assigned... make sure you come back with at least ONE shot that qualifies for your portfolio. And make sure people actually see your best works, not a motley lot of 263673 photos (exaggeration, but some people REALLY do that and call it their PORTFOLIO), and make sure you have a namecard that you can give to people to let them know you're SERIOUS about photography.
It might be a more economically feasible methodology to get a resale 20D with an appropriate lens for your particular needs. It will most likely last at least 3 years or more, depending on how you take care of it, and not shoot willy-nilly like what I did a long time ago. Then build a portfolio of your works, then keep on revising it. Each shoot you go for, paid or unpaid, client-assigned or self-assigned... make sure you come back with at least ONE shot that qualifies for your portfolio. And make sure people actually see your best works, not a motley lot of 263673 photos (exaggeration, but some people REALLY do that and call it their PORTFOLIO), and make sure you have a namecard that you can give to people to let them know you're SERIOUS about photography.
Actually, if you're asking your parents to pay for your indulgence, I think you should just drop the idea.
Don't be one of those spoilt kids who stick out their hands for some expensive toy which they think they will like. Once they lose interest in the toy, they'll never once think about how much money was spent on them.
If you really appreciate photography, I'm sure you can and will save up $$ to get your own camera. If you have the cash, I suppose your parents can't say anything about you spending your $$ on these things. Just do it, get what you think best fits your needs. At least, when you lose interest, you'll appreciate how painful it was to get the camera + lenses that you'll try make it worthwhile..
Don't be one of those spoilt kids who stick out their hands for some expensive toy which they think they will like. Once they lose interest in the toy, they'll never once think about how much money was spent on them.
If you really appreciate photography, I'm sure you can and will save up $$ to get your own camera. If you have the cash, I suppose your parents can't say anything about you spending your $$ on these things. Just do it, get what you think best fits your needs. At least, when you lose interest, you'll appreciate how painful it was to get the camera + lenses that you'll try make it worthwhile..
Reading the responses above there might be some truth in it. If you're willing to fork out your own savings to buy it, then your parents might still disapprove but they probably won't outright object to it. Since young my parents have done the same with me...if I wanted anything that wasn't essential, I'd need to pay for it myself. So far I've indulged in a few expensive things...laptop computer, a watch, camera and lenses...they didn't give me a pat of approval for any of these, but they simply said, 'It's your own money, spend wisely.'
Thankfully I didn't regret any of my purchases to date, even though my laptop computer died after only 3 years of light and careful use.
Oh yah...thought to provide you with a little more info. Some have suggested getting a film SLR instead. That would of course come with the added cost of film, developing and printing, but the bonuses are huge. It may be possible to get a pretty good Canon AF film SLR for around $50-100 now. With all that money you save, throw a bit onto lenses and use some of it for your film. Unless you shoot very heavily, cover events unpaid and such, film will suit you. Plus, I believe you should be familiar enough with the basics to trust yourself when using film, and would not need to look at the screen for every shot. It saves time too, when you're really in a tight spot.
Naturally, in the long run digital might be cheaper for the heavy user, but that is also if you are able to stick to your camera body for a prolonged period of time. With the 350D, it will also come with a kit lens that although provides decent image quality, it will not be everyone's cup of tea. Hence, you may feel the urge to upgrade that as soon as you get it.
Perhaps try for a film SLR with a EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II? Or perhaps a 35mm f/2 (great sharp lens, if you're into this sort of thing).
Thankfully I didn't regret any of my purchases to date, even though my laptop computer died after only 3 years of light and careful use.
Oh yah...thought to provide you with a little more info. Some have suggested getting a film SLR instead. That would of course come with the added cost of film, developing and printing, but the bonuses are huge. It may be possible to get a pretty good Canon AF film SLR for around $50-100 now. With all that money you save, throw a bit onto lenses and use some of it for your film. Unless you shoot very heavily, cover events unpaid and such, film will suit you. Plus, I believe you should be familiar enough with the basics to trust yourself when using film, and would not need to look at the screen for every shot. It saves time too, when you're really in a tight spot.
Naturally, in the long run digital might be cheaper for the heavy user, but that is also if you are able to stick to your camera body for a prolonged period of time. With the 350D, it will also come with a kit lens that although provides decent image quality, it will not be everyone's cup of tea. Hence, you may feel the urge to upgrade that as soon as you get it.
Perhaps try for a film SLR with a EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II? Or perhaps a 35mm f/2 (great sharp lens, if you're into this sort of thing).
How long have you been playing with photography already? What I am trying to ask is from the parents' view point. If you have been playing with photography and showed constant interest then I think they will be more willing to invest, in you, not any DSLR.
If you are still new and just about to start, I would suggest you get a prosumer, use them often, show the pics to you parents and convince them that you are dead serious and love photography......
Remember, trust is the most important...and trust has to be built up over time and not over night.
Hope this helps...
If you are still new and just about to start, I would suggest you get a prosumer, use them often, show the pics to you parents and convince them that you are dead serious and love photography......
Remember, trust is the most important...and trust has to be built up over time and not over night.
Hope this helps...
calebk said:
ok here's my take, i've been shooting a a 5 yrs? i've gotten from small hobby P&S to my E-10 to my D70 which i have been using for the past 2 yrs. All of my items are PAID by my mom, and the only reason being that way is that i PAY HER BACK. so nothing wrong with asking your parents to pay first then pay them back later.
As for indulgence, i use to be fickled minded and my mom thinks i'm buying evrything on impules, but i don't. i'm just not a seasoned player in cameras until i bought the D70 which proved to my mom that hey see i made a good choice and i've been using it till today! same for my computer, i've did many upgrades before and now i have one that lasted me for 1.5 yrs and still running my PS CS2 and stuff on it well.
Somehow you haven't proven to your parents that hey this is the right choice, they might be judging you by your other day to day purchases, or previous pruchases which was put away after buy for a month or so.
So good luck!
my 2 cents~
As for indulgence, i use to be fickled minded and my mom thinks i'm buying evrything on impules, but i don't. i'm just not a seasoned player in cameras until i bought the D70 which proved to my mom that hey see i made a good choice and i've been using it till today! same for my computer, i've did many upgrades before and now i have one that lasted me for 1.5 yrs and still running my PS CS2 and stuff on it well.
Somehow you haven't proven to your parents that hey this is the right choice, they might be judging you by your other day to day purchases, or previous pruchases which was put away after buy for a month or so.
So good luck!
my 2 cents~
You are right.....got to prove that it is not just another impulse buy....dun forget, even working adult like me is still struggling to buy DSLR or not, not to mention if my son tell me he wants one when I am not sure he is serious or not....
It quite a huge sum of money for many working adult to pay.....have to understand your parents too...
It quite a huge sum of money for many working adult to pay.....have to understand your parents too...
SianZronG said:
YES! you must be a good parent! haha. Youngsters are continuously trying to prove our worth and adults just try to "hinder" it... but of course in a good way... prevent us from growing obsesive! haha. Cheers!
For the thread starter maybe talking to another adult to talk to your folks to understand your plight might shead some new light on the situation ^_^
For the thread starter maybe talking to another adult to talk to your folks to understand your plight might shead some new light on the situation ^_^
calebk said:
seriously, i think u shud spend more time & concentrate on ur school work then building that portfolio. the paper is more important that the portfolio, as a freshie who hasn't even started NS. in s'pore, w/o decent papers (dip in ur case), its hard to even support urself with ur 1st job.
besides, its not juz about the technology getting obsolete but the cam won't last u the next 4 yrs. what happens when it died? send for repair... but no longer have parts? buy a new one or totally stop building that portfolio? its never too late for such portfolio but if u missed this chance for the dip, u'll likely regret it 10yrs later for the rest of ur life.
i support ur parents' decision. concentrate on the studies more important.
Getting a 350D isn't that expensive... but getting all the necessary lens n equipments to shoot photos that u think will built up ur portfolio is very very expensive..
so i would think if u really managed to save up enough for a Kit set, then use it well 1st b4 tempting urself to buy more n more lens and "crumpler bags" or "lowepro":sweat:
but seriously, i would think that u should rent a DSLR whenevr u need to use it to take any shoots... then save up and finally use hard cash to buy the camera n stuff u need, u will feel more shiok when using ur own hard saved money to buy and u will appreciate ur camera baby more.
Parents always have their reasons for doing things n refusing us, maybe its because they see us grow up and know our habits?
so i would think if u really managed to save up enough for a Kit set, then use it well 1st b4 tempting urself to buy more n more lens and "crumpler bags" or "lowepro":sweat:
but seriously, i would think that u should rent a DSLR whenevr u need to use it to take any shoots... then save up and finally use hard cash to buy the camera n stuff u need, u will feel more shiok when using ur own hard saved money to buy and u will appreciate ur camera baby more.
Parents always have their reasons for doing things n refusing us, maybe its because they see us grow up and know our habits?
at this point of time, is it a need or a want....think abt it...
as a parent, i do have my own wants, like a few of those L lens....but i tend to take a step back and think if i really need them now, even though i do a lot of freelance photography...end conclusion, it is a want....my 17-40 is good enough at this pt of time...
think it over...sometimes, a prosumer is good enough since u dun shoot for a living..
as a parent, i do have my own wants, like a few of those L lens....but i tend to take a step back and think if i really need them now, even though i do a lot of freelance photography...end conclusion, it is a want....my 17-40 is good enough at this pt of time...
think it over...sometimes, a prosumer is good enough since u dun shoot for a living..
350D? Well, quite a good camera. But why not a Sony A100 since its technically a rebranded Minolta or hunt around for a Dynax 7D? But how unusable is unusable? Is it dead?calebk said:
Seems like they ain't really supportive of ur hobby. Well, u've got 2 ways down the road:
- Be a good boy, stop ya hobby for the sake of ur parents.
- Be a rebellious and bad boy, carry on with ur hobby. Shoot some seriously stunning pictures that would leave ur parents open-mouthed.
(D)SLR systems is a matter of going into what you would like to shoot (aka specialisation) and its a hobby unlike gadget chasing (a'la Handphones). Except for a small number of gadget chasers, most people u see here upgrade/downgrade for reasons which they know that the new/old camera offers that their current camera bodies can't offer. Try to convince ur parents on this point where SLR systems is not merely a matter technology-chasing like basic PnS models or Handphone models.
Fireworks eh? Hehehe.... Well, u can get to them on the basis of 'schoolwork' (not really a good idea since they will probably wonder what kind of course requires the purchase of a $2K SLR System) OR u can show them seriously stunning shots of Fireworks and other photos which is next to impossible for them to capture using a basic PnS model due to limitations in the camera (be glad to lend u some of my pictures) to convince them what kind of standards you will be producing eventually (not say my photos are tops but at least a statement's made) and the potential Return on Investment if u are to take up freelance jobs in addition to ur future day job and stuff like dat.
Well, I had gone thru this and for my first camera, my Mum kinda like grudgingly put the money down. But I had produced photos far more stunning than they can take with the old PnS to thoroughly convince them them there's a 'Semi-Pro Photographer' in the house.
Not really there yet, but enuff to bullshit my way thru. :bsmilie:
Was once in a similar situation in your shoes, dad STRONGLY object to me going into going into photography and telling me i'm not good enough, so even when i got my first PnS using my money, he's still quite unhappy about it. And after 2years of pondering about going into Dslr, finally got my 350D a month plus ago, similarly using my own money..
Bottom line is that if you're using your own money, then just do it, show them you can do it.. And you want to do it.. Additional, you'll have to factor in the price of dry cabinet, lens and sensor cleaning equipment, camera bag, a sturdy tripod (which dont comes cheap) and lots of other small small things. And you've to know what you want to shoot and going into it.
Maybe can get your equipment at Bns, there's lots of good equipment at good price there ..
Bottom line is that if you're using your own money, then just do it, show them you can do it.. And you want to do it.. Additional, you'll have to factor in the price of dry cabinet, lens and sensor cleaning equipment, camera bag, a sturdy tripod (which dont comes cheap) and lots of other small small things. And you've to know what you want to shoot and going into it.
Maybe can get your equipment at Bns, there's lots of good equipment at good price there ..
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Thanks so much guys, for all the replies. To the "state of unusability" question on my dad's old film SLR (Konica Autoreflex TC), it's got
1) a fogged lens whose
2) focus ring is jammed and has a
3) scratched rear lens element and a
4) front element whose coating is half scratched off.
(the lens is a old hexanon 40mm/f1.8 glass. very bright pancake glass)
5) in bulb mode, pressing the shutter for more than 5 seconds effectively jams the shutter. It doesn't close till you screw around with the shutter speed dial.
6) There's multiple specs of dirt in the pentaprism (don't know how it got there).
7) Mirror is scratched and dirty.
8) Film-speed dial is stuck at "100", meaning if it was repaired, I only can use ISO100 speed films.
Anyway, I've been into photography for a year, maybe slightly more. I've been using a Casio Exilim EX-Z500 PnS, but lately there's some problem. There's a whole lot of white horizontal streaks across the photo after the shutter is released. I've encountered this about a month ago, and I'm not sure what's the problem. It happens only sometimes, when I'm shooting white/silver/bright stuff. I get overexposure every time I shoot those stuff, without fail.
I've got some pretty impressive shots, that I haven't showed my parents. Apparently they want to close the issue and aren't really willing to listen to any of my reasoning. I've started saving, and have a grand total of $70! (Can buy a few filters. Hehe. Maybe cardboard 350D.)
1) a fogged lens whose
2) focus ring is jammed and has a
3) scratched rear lens element and a
4) front element whose coating is half scratched off.
(the lens is a old hexanon 40mm/f1.8 glass. very bright pancake glass)
5) in bulb mode, pressing the shutter for more than 5 seconds effectively jams the shutter. It doesn't close till you screw around with the shutter speed dial.
6) There's multiple specs of dirt in the pentaprism (don't know how it got there).
7) Mirror is scratched and dirty.
8) Film-speed dial is stuck at "100", meaning if it was repaired, I only can use ISO100 speed films.
Anyway, I've been into photography for a year, maybe slightly more. I've been using a Casio Exilim EX-Z500 PnS, but lately there's some problem. There's a whole lot of white horizontal streaks across the photo after the shutter is released. I've encountered this about a month ago, and I'm not sure what's the problem. It happens only sometimes, when I'm shooting white/silver/bright stuff. I get overexposure every time I shoot those stuff, without fail.
I've got some pretty impressive shots, that I haven't showed my parents. Apparently they want to close the issue and aren't really willing to listen to any of my reasoning. I've started saving, and have a grand total of $70! (Can buy a few filters. Hehe. Maybe cardboard 350D.)
calebk said:
At that budget you're probably looking at a film camera. Don't forget the old manual focus SLRs and rangefinders either. $70 can get you this:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=213962
or if you want to put in more, you could try for something I'm selling:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=213506
Ultimately it will depend on what is truly limiting your photography experience. Is it the lack of sheer reach, speed, quality? :think: If you just need something that actually works properly and allows for manual exposure/ aperture priority, then you really don't have to look that far.
The reason I'm looking at digital is because I want to save money in the long run, on film. Of course I'd love to shoot on film, especially B/W. I find the effect of B/W film can never be replicated on a digital platform, unless much postprod is done to the shot. I'm gonna be shooting with an F55 next semester, so it'll be quite fun to use film.
EDIT: Oh did I mention the school will develop one roll of film (solely for school purposes) for free? =)
EDIT: Oh did I mention the school will develop one roll of film (solely for school purposes) for free? =)
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