What they are not telling you about the Somalia piracy background.......


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Dream Merchant

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What seems to be may not always be what they usually want us to see.
 

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But its hard to make any conclusion based on that report.
There is no reference, not even hard evidence or a 'whistle blower' to come out verify or back the story up.
The report if anything else, is too one sided and offers very few facts to be taken seriously.
References to the history of pirates is just ludicrous. Can we justify modern Muslim terrorists by reference to ancient Islam?
I doubt so.
 

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But its hard to make any conclusion based on that report.
There is no reference, not even hard evidence or a 'whistle blower' to come out verify or back the story up.
The report if anything else, is too one sided and offers very few facts to be taken seriously.
References to the history of pirates is just ludicrous. Can we justify modern Muslim terrorists by reference to ancient Islam?
I doubt so.
Read the last part of the Wikipedia link.....telling the same thing

Off course references to past piracy is not the point, read only the last parts lah

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They use poverty to justify piracy, environmental dumping allegations to justify extortion?

Doesn't wash.
 

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They use poverty to justify piracy, environmental dumping allegations to justify extortion?

Doesn't wash.
What they are saying is not whitewashing but asking for understanding to the background, that the country has been made so poor that the people have no other avenues, their fishing fields has been emptied by other countries, and that the West is not clean too as they have been using the lawlessness of the region to dump off their radioactive 'problems'.......
 

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They use poverty to justify piracy, environmental dumping allegations to justify extortion?

Doesn't wash.
question to u, if u r Somalian living there as million does, what will u do? turn pirate? support pirates? become whistle blower and turn pirates in?
 

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question to u, if u r Somalian living there as million does, what will u do? turn pirate? support pirates? become whistle blower and turn pirates in?
Yes, supposedly the somalis find piracy to be an attractive career option due to poverty, just like drugs are a good career option in central america. Does poverty give them the right to poison the world with crack? Pls, no sermons about how the addicts themselves also have to take responsibility for their own problems.

So, can poverty be used to justify piracy and banditry?
 

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What a cop-out. Millions of poor people around the world struggle to make a honest living and retain their dignity, while trying to move out of the poverty trap.

Piracy? Easy pickings, and blaming others for taking advantage of their own internecine quarrels to dump crap in their waters is nothing but sorry excuses for a lack of governance within their own society.
 

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What they are saying is not whitewashing but asking for understanding to the background, that the country has been made so poor that the people have no other avenues, their fishing fields has been emptied by other countries, and that the West is not clean too as they have been using the lawlessness of the region to dump off their radioactive 'problems'.......
THIS IS THE BIGGEST BS I HAVE HEARD. Even though TS is not the only one who had fallen into this trap.

Piracy off the Somalia coast has nothing to do with whether the American treated the Native American Indians fairly, nor the Australian treating the Aborigines fairly, or how the Chinese had cracked down on all the dissidents. Many countries had committed autocracies, and they should be dealt with appropriately. Anyone dumping toxic waste illegally should be punished. But they are all separate issues and not related to the pirates threatening livelihoods and lives off the Somalian coast.

Such broad and clueless association of random facts is actually serving your cause a disservice. I am assuming you are trying to highlight the dire poverty in Somalia. Well, you failed, because none of us are talking about the human tragedy resulting from the poverty.
 

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World bank estimate Somalia population about 8.9Million in 2008.
Number of pirates estimated at about 1,000 men.
Conclusion. They don't represent the general population. They don't represent Somalia.

There is nothing sentimental about piracy.

Piracy is a vicious, violent, cruel organised crime frequently conducted with the aid of firearms and other weapons like machetes that are meant to kill, injure and maim.

In times past, when the Vietnamese were escaping from South Vietnam in boats, the pirates from Thailand, Indonesia, etc...plundered, robbed, raped and killed these helpless people. In the open sea, the pirates use violence. They commited horribly cruel atrocities on their victims.

Pirates can be from Thailand, Indonesia, Somalia, etc.....
It does not matter which country they come from.

In Sing, kidnapping and robbery with firearms is a capital offence.
Rightly so. At least in Sing, we got our heads screwed on properly.

Pirates should all be firmly dealt with. When defending the ship in an exchange of gunfire, it is necessary to kill the pirates, then do so. Don't waste time arresting them and going through a charade of long twisted trial with smart lawyers defending their human rights.

It is estimated that the Somali pirates have amassed US$150 Million in ransom. (for the ships, not the people they kidnapped). These are not some airy fairy modern day Robin Hoods who rob the rich to save the poor. These pirates did not re-distribute their loot to the rest of Somalia's population. They intend to keep it and live in luxury.

Actually it is rubbish for nations like US, Britain, Japan and China to allow Somali pirates to kidnap their ships and sailors. Since everyone knows of this menace, why allow merchant ships to go there unarmed. After they got pirate attack then send in the Navy or pay ransom. What a waste of time, effort and money.
 

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World bank estimate Somalia population about 8.9Million in 2008.
Number of pirates estimated at about 1,000 men.
Conclusion. They don't represent the general population. They don't represent Somalia.

There is nothing sentimental about piracy.

Piracy is a vicious, violent, cruel organised crime frequently conducted with the aid of firearms and other weapons like machetes that are meant to kill, injure and maim.

In times past, when the Vietnamese were escaping from South Vietnam in boats, the pirates from Thailand, Indonesia, etc...plundered, robbed, raped and killed these helpless people. In the open sea, the pirates use violence as the law. They are the law and they commited horribly cruel atrocities on their victims.

Pirates can be from Thailand, Indonesia, Somalia, etc.....
It does not matter which country they come from.

In Sing, kidnapping and robbery with firearms automatically begets a death sentence.
Rightly so. At least in Sing, we got our heads screwed on properly.

Pirates should all be killed. Period. No prisoners. Don't waste time arresting them and going through a charade of long twisted trial with smart lawyers defending their human rights.

It is estimated that the Somali pirates have amassed US$150 Million in ransom. (for the ships, not the people they kidnapped). These are not some airy fairy modern day Robin Hoods who rob the rich to save the poor. These pirates did not re-distribute their loot to the rest of Somalia's population. They intend to keep it and live in luxury.

Actually it is rubbish for nations like US, Britain, Japan and China to allow Somali pirates to kidnap their ships and sailors. Since everyone knows of this menace, why allow merchant ships to go there unarmed. So stupid. After they got pirate attack then send in the Navy or pay ransom. What a waste of time, effort and money.

Well said! I'd like to add that piracy there seems to be an organised crime, managed in a business-like manner, ie the pirates' weapons are not really intended to kill anyone unless there is resistance, they are not into robbing rolexes and gold chains from the sailors, they are after the cargo and the ransom for the cargoes. In fact, some detainees have reported they were fed well during their ordeals.

The last point you made is strange. First, merchant seamen are neither trained nor expected to fight at sea, so it's not a question of someone not allowing them to bear arms. And given that these pirates are in it for purely commercial reasons, bearing arms actually creates greater risks for the sailors.

Second, ships belong to companies, not countries, and in a globalised world, the ship owner, the ship's flag and the ship's crews can come from many different countries, so it's hard to say who should protect the ships. But the law of the sea is clear in that military vessels, regardless of nationality, should render assistance to any ship under attack from outlaws.

One possible solution, apart from hunting down the pirates, is what happened in the Persian Gulf in the 80s, when the US and its allies escorted oil tanker traffic (regardless of nationality) through the Gulf to protect them from Iranian aggression.
 

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