Unethical Organiser?


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I believe that there's one organiser snatching models using underhanded means.

since afew months ago, i've had models backing out of me last minute using reasons like "oh i just feel that pay is too low" when they had agreed happily earlier at the initial pay offer. I've had good attitude models who were initially very enthuaistic but suddenly smsed me to say they want to withdraw. Suspicious?

Long ago, there was one model who told me that "another organiser told her to leave my shoot on that particular date and time (which i had already submitted thread for), and go for her/his shoot on the same date and time and he/she will pay her more than I do". The model did mention the organiser's name. And she also mentioned that the organsier had badmouthed me and saying untruth things about me as well.

I also heard from other organisers that this particular organiser has been telling his/her models and other girls that he/she previously snatched from me that "melodylove illtreats her models, pay them very low, etc etc" This organiser probably paid his/her models even lower, considering the price his/her shoots are offering. (i usually pay according to experience. i dont deny that i pay quite low to new models. but i pay market rate or higher to better models. I've even paid a particular model 200/hr for a fashion shoot when her rate was actually lower than that. The models can vouch for me.)


I just want to tell this organiser,
stop using underhanded means to snatch models.

You can very well offer higher pay to my models, but it's unethical to ask her to withdraw from my shoot because it shows that you just want to sabo me.

it's also unethical of you to say unpleasant things about me that has NO EVIDENCE.



I dont know if you are attacking me on a personal account and i dont know why you dislike me so much, or you do that do every organiser, but i've tolerated this long enough. It has been happening ALOT of times.

Stop it.


Im not naming who because i have no evidence except that people have been telling me that this organiser had been badmouthing about me. I dont know this organiser personally and i dont know why she/he is against me.
Although there is competition between us, but i think we shouldn't use "badmouthing" as a way to win. I feel upset about it because some of the claims were untrue.

I believe there's a healthy way to compete, and i do have good terms with some other organisers and we know how to respect each other.


i really hope that it's not happening.


Anyway, it's just a sudden ranting. Maybe he/she is not doing this anymore.
 

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I feel sad about this, anyway I hope you are able to clear out things in the open, it is better this way too.....
 

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I think she is right to voice out this and it's depend on the model integrity. Sometimes model were known to disrupt shoot last minute for a few dollars more.
 

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Name the organizer, blacklist the unethical models. :D
 

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no luh i dont wish to pm that organiser and accuse him/her (which the model had named out), because it might not be true. I just put this thread to remind other organisers that it's not ethical to snatch models this way. Let's respect each other even there's competition.
 

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Name the organizer, blacklist the unethical models. :D
actually can't blame the models too if they are really under the influence of another organiser. If im new, i wont know much about the organising issues and might probably easily believe other people's badmouthing.
 

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no luh i dont wish to pm that organiser and accuse him/her (which the model had named out), because it might not be true. I just put this thread to remind other organisers that it's not ethical to snatch models this way. Let's respect each other even there's competition.
If this is business, then the one who pay more wins.

Eventually, the model will be the one deciding whether to jump boat or not.
 

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actually can't blame the models too if they are really under the influence of another organiser. If im new, i wont know much about the organising issues and might probably easily believe other people's badmouthing.
But does this organiser always snatch away your models or does he snatch other people's models as well.
 

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If this is business, then the one who pay more wins.

Eventually, the model will be the one deciding whether to jump boat or not.
In business it is not always the higher pay wins, sometimes the lower paid jobs are just nicer to do if the organiser is easier to work with for example......it is not always about the money, if it is then you are shallow
 

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This is just being human from the model. Looking for higher pay:sweat:.

Those who reject the offer and stay in your shoot on the particular day :thumbsup: These model may be professional enough and like to work with you better i think.

Just wondering if organiser will blacklist model who fly kite last min like this?

Such act from the model will have problem of getting a photoshoot in future who they (organiser) fly kite?

If the model play their little part to be more professional that should solve the problem.
 

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dunoe...
other organisers told me he/she is badmouthing me. Maybe personal attack. but i dont know why. Never had anythign to do with he/she.
Observe a little longer see if you are the only one 'kana'. if you are the only one then is a personal attack. If other organiser also 'kana' then is just business.

If you the only one maybe you want to his/her shoot and clear your doubts.
 

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