sequitur> thanks 4 the discussion, i was quite bored @ work so this livens up my day...
reannemia> yr post's good fodder 4 discussion.... :bsmilie:
:cheers:
reannemia> yr post's good fodder 4 discussion.... :bsmilie:
:cheers:
yqt said:That is why some pro. photopgraphers are willing to do tfp/tfcd.
In short: If OTHER PEOPLE think you're good enough, they will pay you or model for you for free/tfp/tfcd.
catchlights said:Right on Godzilla!
And would like to add: photographers must show respects to your subjects, if you don’t, your works would tell.
tygrr_eyez said:I really don't think I should come in with my 2 cents worth, especially since i'm definitely on Mia's side here. But what the heck - since we have a model's point of view, might as well have the agent's point of view as well.
When a model approaches me for representation, I normally look at their modelling potential as well. For really fresh models, I normally ask them to pay for their own comp cards and portfolios. But even if they're really fresh models yet have bagloads of potential, I have absolutely no problems with offering them everything for free. The same thing applies for photographers. Over time, i've met up with several photographers whom I've grown to like very much indeed and worked closely with on several projects, even to the point whereby if there's an event I'm supplying girls for, I'll suggest to the event organizer that we use this particular photog as well. (Thank you clubsnap, for putting me in touch with these several photogs.)
I heartily agree with Mia when she says that photographers should be paid, as do models. However, in the event of paid shoots, its more a case of photographers sharing the cost of the model to improve their techniques, to learn off each other as well as to get the necessary contacts required. You see, there are several photogs here who don't aspire to be professionals - instead, they're happy being weekend photogs who get together to shoot for the pure pleasure of it. These are those who would willingly pay to shoot the model. I look upon this as an investment - after several such shoots, you would actually have a portfolio that will open the doors to paying jobs where you'll get your investment back manyfold.
Oh and godzilla, you're absolutely right on the qualities that a professional model should possess, although there are so many others that i could easily add.
reannemia said:i'm greatly humbled godzilla. thanks for the list of qualities to look out for, both models and fotogs alike.
tygrr: :lovegrin:
Godzilla Invades said:It works both ways. Nothing is free in this world and if it's free there is always a catch to it.
Thanks
sequitur said:hmm
i'm one who believes that parties should work out a win-win-win situation where the only thing that isn't free is time. i don't deny, i like to shoot for free. i haven't attended a single paid model shoot except for my first. or rather, after that i have not shot a single model until recently... hard to find free one mah. ;p
don't really have catch lah... just shoot for fun lorh...
tygrr_eyez said:It works both ways. Nothing is free in this world and if it's free there is always a catch to it.
Godzilla's quote sums the whole argument up best, i feel.
And yes, there are several photogs whom I've NEVER worked with personally, yet am rather interested in working with someday in one capacity or another, yee kian being one of them.
Mia,
:sweat:
you send me that kind of smiley, eugene would want to "punch my f****** face."
Godzilla Invades said:Well shooting for fun is ok then.....but let just take for example if one day your work has been spotted by an aspiring georgous model who wants to shoot for her a portfolio, would you charge her a fee?
Models are not hard to find. Seriously speaking....
sequitur said:that would depend on situation - but if i were to give an answer now it would be "no", i would not charge. like i said, i believe in win-win... even if at the end of the day i do get paid... i'm still shooting for fun.... if you get what i mean...
edit :
i finally thought of the correct phrase : it's the enjoyment of the process, rather than the expectations of the final product.
yqt said:I'm not sure about this, I would like to enjoy the process but the final product is the most important thing to me. When I'm doing a shoot, regardless of paid or not, there is some level of stress because I'm a full time photographer. I'll be judge by the final product more than the process of the shoot. Like the time when I'm doing a nude shot, I have to make sure that everything MUST turn out well. If not all the time and cost spend getting the shoot done will be wasted and I'll have to answer for that.
If a shoot didn't turn out well because of the model (wrong type of model for the shoot) or the client (yes it does happen), than it is another story.
This is something easy to say but not easy to do and I'm always mindful of it. But I must try my best to make sure that the shoot happen. That's what, in my view, we should strive for. Maybe I'm asking too much of myself but that's how I'm train while working as an assistance.
For tfp/tfcd, there is less stress and a little more element of fun in the shoot, but we should try not to waste the model's time or our own, if not, I guess a cup of coffee will be better, I don't mind buying.
Godzilla Invades said:yee kian aka imagine? Yes he is one of the photographers who is shooting almost everyweek. See his folio and you will know.