I feel that we have spent enough on defense. We should scale back and use the money on other social spending. Although considered a bad word some time back but it is quite clear now that Singapore is not different - some form of welfare is needed here. The question is on how to have a good safety net without eroding work ethics.
This, I agree with
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FWAH. someone is a history ace student here! for 25 points can you explain why they couldn't send anyone to help us? :bsmilie:
are you stupid or pretending to be stupid?
we cannot afford to be outdated. even now as i type, technology is advancing. weapons of war can be obsolete in a matter of days or weeks.
do you know how outdated most of our equipment already are? we need a major overhaul.
Not true. Like photography, it is not the equipment (of course have to be decent but not necessary the latest and greatest), it is the people behind the equipment. You have an unmotivated and unfit army, no equipment will save you - look at Vietnam War.
In any case, in comparison to our potential threats, our equipment is pretty up to date.
did you know Malaysia is going through an update as well?
i did state weapons of war. do you know how much it takes to train people to use it? hence the high costs. they have to send people overseas for training, fly instructors over, purchase the machinery, maintain it etc. don't take the cost at face value
[Philippines Looks to US Treaty in China Dispute] - [VOA - Voice of America English News]
Just look across the sea today at the Philippines being bullied by China
Key ally of the Philippines , the US is even afraid of adding further strain to their relationship with China and dare not intervene in the South China Sea dispute
Philippines Look to US Treaty
The british hightailed it and left us high and dry when Japan invaded ..... you still want to count on outsiders ?
Do you sleep with your doors and gate unlocked because your taxes pay for the services of the Singapore Police Force ?
Just look across the sea today at the Philippines being bullied by China
Key ally of the Philippines , the US is even afraid of adding further strain to their relationship with China and dare not intervene in the South China Sea dispute
Philippines Look to US Treaty
The british hightailed it and left us high and dry when Japan invaded ..... you still want to count on outsiders ?
Do you sleep with your doors and gate unlocked because your taxes pay for the services of the Singapore Police Force ?
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And what is decent? Mortar is decent. You want to use that to fight artillery? So what if you have the most dedicated and efficient mortar crew? A slow artillery team can take its time to set up and still blast you to pieces.
The M16 / SAR21 is decent. But you really believe that using your rifle ala BMT to shoot fighter planes really work?
Still, you are right. With people of both you and ahboy168's calibre and attitude, no weapon is good enough.
Our strategy has worked well. In fact, it worked so well it bred complacency among people like you.
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Surely we have all these bases already covered.
I am not complacent - I am now more worried about social cohesion and the sustanability of our economy and society, not whether tomorrow Malaysia will cheong over with the latest Russian MIGs.
doesnt matter. they want they can just block of trading routes etc etc. sg no food no water, no nothing. they just need drag and we can lan lan suck thumb.
there is literally nothing to protect in Singapore (no land, no resources) .... maybe our families and friends whom WE value and love ..... which an enemy has little love, value or feelings for
to conquer Singapore without firing a single bullet or loss of a single life , you just need to destroy 4 things
1. its reputation as a safe haven
2. its financial and legal infrastructures and regulations
3. its laws
4. and what the 5 stars on our flag represents
once you destroy the above, what use are brand new airports, the MRT, our skyscrapers, gardens, casinos, condos by the sea , shopping malls , roads ...? you end up with things with no value and lots of very angry people without jobs
just look at Greece ...... not 100-200 years ago ..... today
oh one good thing if you achieve the destruction of one or more of the 4 things above ...... you get rid of your hated FTs and PRs very quickly .... you can have the entire island all to yourself then
other countries can afford to be a Banana Republic and still operate because they have resources in the ground so they dont need to make things or create services to sell to raise $$$ to keep the population going .... they just sell drilling and mining rights and collect royalty.... or just sell blood stones to raise cash
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Malaysia is alright under Najib who is a stable moderate. No need to rescue a son from massive share losses. Relations are good between MLY+SGP.
On the topic of super powers coming to our aid. Usually the super power will ask "What is in it for me?" This is normal. This is human nature.
If we have nothing of benefit to the super power, help may not come. Or come very s...l....o.....w...l....y.. by which time all of us are dead.
Or they may hold lengthy conferences - with no meaningful result.
Rwanda. 800,000 people were slaughtered but no one came to their rescue. UN troops on the ground inside Rwanda were given a command by the UN forbidding them to interfere to save the people being slaughtered. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/etc/slaughter.html
Saudi Arabia has the largest oil reserves in the world (until Jan 2011 when Venezuela claimed to have more). When Saudi Arabia's neighbour Kuwait was invaded, the super power reacted immediately. Not because the super power loved Kuwait. But because Iraq was poised to invade Saudi Arabia after Kuwait. See? If you have something the super power needs, you don't need to ask for help. When only your neighbour is attacked, the super power will rush to your defence without being asked.
So this is the reality.
On the topic of super powers coming to our aid. Usually the super power will ask "What is in it for me?" This is normal. This is human nature.
If we have nothing of benefit to the super power, help may not come. Or come very s...l....o.....w...l....y.. by which time all of us are dead.
Or they may hold lengthy conferences - with no meaningful result.
Rwanda. 800,000 people were slaughtered but no one came to their rescue. UN troops on the ground inside Rwanda were given a command by the UN forbidding them to interfere to save the people being slaughtered. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/evil/etc/slaughter.html
Saudi Arabia has the largest oil reserves in the world (until Jan 2011 when Venezuela claimed to have more). When Saudi Arabia's neighbour Kuwait was invaded, the super power reacted immediately. Not because the super power loved Kuwait. But because Iraq was poised to invade Saudi Arabia after Kuwait. See? If you have something the super power needs, you don't need to ask for help. When only your neighbour is attacked, the super power will rush to your defence without being asked.
So this is the reality.
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haha true. that's the easiest way to go about. we REALLY have nothing to defend actually... imho, big states/nations have nothing to gain, and everything to lose of they decide to fight sg. they need a nice middle man to act as a transaction place (for china and US, etc etc) where traditionally there is rivalry. sg serves as a nice neutral point imo.
but we are nice sitting ducks for terrorists. they like to see the world burn, and us too. perhaps that is the biggest focus we need to have la.
the success of a terrorist attack in Singapore is NOT just in the destruction of property and life (thats just a nice bonus) ...... its the destruction or shake in confidence of one of these 4 points
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Not really an issue, if you had just understood the slightest hint of what I have been inferring in this thread, we will be more or less self-sufficient within 48 hours if everything goes as planned. I'll not delve further into topics regarding expeditionary / rapid deployment forces due to reason of Operations Security (OPSEC).
Also, blockading a Sea Line of Communication (SLOC) such as the Strait of Malacca will be in violation of Part III of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III) with regards to freedom of transit passage. Doing so will piss a lot of nations off and thus it won't reflect well on the belligerent who does it. God knows what the consequences will be.
All right, better stop immediately before I crossed the line over for a free kopi. Cheers.
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hint hint why do you think we have one of the largest airforce and navy in the region and highest spending per capita on defense ?
In asia, only China, India, Japan and South Korea have bigger annual defence spendings than the little sleeping tiger .... Singapore
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other countries so big, that's why we need to invest really a lot in defense to protect ourselves if one day these big nations come attack us
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