The Offical Sony H9 Thread


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Parchiao

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Let's make this the thread to discuss about the H9.

I was at the Sony outlet in Funan, got to have a hands on with the H9, looked very good. Noticed that the focussing was very fast, even at full telephoto. When zoomed in all the way, the lens did not extend out by much more that it is when at the widest focal length.

Walked over to Cathay, got a quite of $820. It is selling as a promotional package with a photo printer and 512MB card.

Anybody got their hands on one already and what do you think about it?
 

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it finally out. :sweat:
 

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ah you mean its on our shores? hmmz.. will be visiting this thread often...
but at a RRP of USD $479, its S$728 at most.. and street price should be lower than that right?
$820 is really high leh....:sweat: unless the camera without the printer has another price..
 

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Don't think so.

H2 is still selling near to $700 brand new.. =) At least in the more expensive shops.

Even conservative estimate would be $650. $70 more for something new with more bells and whistles? Doubt it.. =D
 

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The pricing will eventually adjust downwards. If any of you are interested in the H9, I would recommend you to go handle it. I like it very much and i think that it will complement my R1 very well.
 

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Saw it at an electronic shop at Bedok. Going for 770 with free 512 card.
 

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whoever bought one.. pls post some pics here:bsmilie:
 

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go to the DPReview forum... lotsa' good pics there... very impressive.
 

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I seen some on Dpreview. Generally, I've got mixed feelings for this camera. I've not seen a pic better than the R1. The bokeh at full tele on this camera looks alittle distracting, but not as bad as the Panasonic FZ series.
 

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I seen some on Dpreview. Generally, I've got mixed feelings for this camera. I've not seen a pic better than the R1. The bokeh at full tele on this camera looks alittle distracting, but not as bad as the Panasonic FZ series.
1. The R1 is in a different class.

2. This is a prosumer. Almost NO prosumers have good bokeh.
 

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I seen some on Dpreview. Generally, I've got mixed feelings for this camera. I've not seen a pic better than the R1. The bokeh at full tele on this camera looks alittle distracting, but not as bad as the Panasonic FZ series.
Judging by your handgrip question on the other thread, you seem to have no clue what a prosumer is vs. a DSLR.
 

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Hey guys....

Handled the camera at Marina Square Sony Square...

Tried the Nightshot mode.... did not heard the familiar click sound of the IR filter block being removed from the front of sensor... but then again, with such a small sensor, the block could be very small too... 1/30sec is fastest exposure in nightshot (or so I tested)

Handles very much like all other H series camera.

Zooms during video shooting (something that my H1 cannot do.)

Remote control supplied with full camera functions!

BUT

Supplied adaptor ring is not the usual 58mm!!! the sales guy insisted that it is 74mm (not the usual 72mm or 77mm). Larger diameter was meant to reduce the dark corners we get when using wide or zoom adaptor... but why 74mm??? So that we can't use 3rd party filters and lens adaptor?? What will I do with all my adaptors now?


I am also having mixed feelings about it... was going to snap up 1 set immediately but held back (mainly due to the 74mm issue).
 

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I was also at the Marina outlet today, was ready to make payment, but they did not have a new piece in stock, which meant I have to wait till later when I am not busy to buy it.

BTW, I could see noise in the dark areas in the ISO400 shots when I zoomed into the image. I am not sure how this compares with other compacts excluding the Fuji.
 

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I was also at the Marina outlet today, was ready to make payment, but they did not have a new piece in stock, which meant I have to wait till later when I am not busy to buy it.

BTW, I could see noise in the dark areas in the ISO400 shots when I zoomed into the image. I am not sure how this compares with other compacts excluding the Fuji.
Other than the SuperCCD Fuji, the H9 seems to have the best ISO performance out there today in superzoom prosumer-land.
 

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I KNOW very well that the R1 is NOT a DSLR and it's a high-end prosumer. It doesn't mean handgrip is DSLR... there's also aftermarket solutions for this. Obviously u're not very friendly in newcomers here by judging instead of helping. I'm referring to something like this in attached link.

Anyone who's a newcomer to this hobby and using a prosumer camera, maybe can use on your H9, check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Hand-Grip-Strap-Sony-Alpha-A100-R1-H9-H7-H5-H2_W0QQitemZ260111196092QQihZ016QQcategoryZ64343QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Judging by your handgrip question on the other thread, you seem to have no clue what a prosumer is vs. a DSLR.
 

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Can you all stop it with the handgrip thingy and maybe keep it in the R1 thread? :bsmilie:

I still haven't figured out if I am going to purchase the H9 since I got a second chance at it. I am now looking at the P5000 or the G7 to have a comparision cause they both have a hot shoe, but the very fast autofocus on the H9 is really tempting.

When I pixel peep, it seems that there is a lot of in camera sharpening and noise reduction applied while the file compression is standard i.e you cannot choose extra fine, fine etc as your file output. However, IQ wise when the image is downsized, it actually looks very good meaning that images for online display and prints will be fine.

Look at this thread, follow the source of the files and compare the downsized image with the actual source to do the comparision. Note, I guess all PnS cameras apply similar concepts of sharpening and noise reduction, but the I think the H9 is gonna be a hit with the average man in the street photographers.
 

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hi parchiao, soli man.. ups with your thread!

So far the pics from the H9, looks very promising. Hope someone here can share the pros & cons. So far, I've just heard how good the pics look (up to ISO400), but how about the other side of the coin:dunno:
 

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hi parchiao, soli man.. ups with your thread!

So far the pics from the H9, looks very promising. Hope someone here can share the pros & cons. So far, I've just heard how good the pics look (up to ISO400), but how about the other side of the coin:dunno:
What, ISO 800 and beyond?

I think no non-DSLR can handle ISO 800 and beyond.

Even some DSLRs have problems with that already! :bsmilie:
 

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I finally bought a H9 today. Here are my comments
from the perspective of an experienced photographer
, I use Nikon D2XS and A Canon 30D. I stayed away
from other H series because they had no night shot.

My purpose of getting this camera is that I wanted
a nice night shot mode which I can use to spot
animals at night also (eg waiting for parent owl to feed young)
and for the purpose of movie shooting and the occasional
macro.

Also to leave it in my car in case got accident, then can
also take photo, day or night. Would also like to try
driving in foggy conditions , connect H9 to Large
LCD screen with powerful IR illunimator aiming ahead.
no idea about what will happen but will experiment
and report back.


1) I like the movie mode very well, can zoom and take movie
in Night Shot and Day mode. Night mode can adjust +EV

2) Video mode 4 gig mem stick can get 50 mins FINE HD mode

3) ISO 1600 very clean. ISO 800 beats my Nikon D2Xs DSLR.
ISO 3200 can use in daytime to capture high speed action
when you set your shutter to S mode.
Max Shutter is 1/4000 at F4.0

4) Manual mode v easy to use.

5) Works PERFECTLY with my Epson P3000, movie plays back
perfectly, jpg files transfer fast. Only drawback, stupid thick
unusual cable. I am sure it will also work with the $55 Thecus
USB OTG (on the go devices) so you can extract out the
contents of the memory stick to the portable HD. The Eastgear
people has an accelerated OTG device which may suit
movie users better.

6) Instant Metering button

7) can easily go from auto to manual focus with decreasing
focus area

8) has spot metering, center weight and matrix

8.1) FPS around 2.5 I think, more than 10 shots
can be taken in fine mode before it slow down.

9.0) U get 465MM optical zoom

Macro Mode:

10) Can shoot macros in night shot mode, great for those
spiders. However no manual focus is allowed in NS mode.

11) Min is 1 CM, cannot use MAX ZOOM to do macro. I am
not sure where the sweet spot is yet, but I am sure someone
here will find out soon.

12) When manual focusing, the LCD shows the subject
zoomed up 4X I think.


Downside
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A) No Raw
B) Memory stick V V Xpensive
C) Lens cap pops up when you turn camera on
D) Awkward lens adaptor ring.
E) No flash shoe
F) Customized USB VIDEO AUDIO All combined into 1 strange cable
g) NO shutter release jack , only IR control
H) Non Intuitive digital selection ring
I) LCD screen does not twist, only look up and down
so cannot frame yourself.

J) NO laser pattern subject illuminator like F717,F707
K) Subject illuminator is BLOCKed when you use the funny
lens adaptor
L) Original spare battery is $77.00, no clones yet
but some other shop sell for $55.00, you need to go and
ask .. all in sim lim sq

M) Need to remove lens cap at night because the IR illumination
LED is in the IR control area.


N) Viewfinder small , literally useless.


****
O) Shutter Button is TOO Sensitive, one light touch
will fire the shutter

****

P) Remote control for shutter release is NOT a suitable
to control the shutter, I perfer a shutter release cord.
will be making my own Radio wireless version later. It
SEEMS to work from behind, but I you need to trackdown where
the IR receiver is from behind so that you dont cover it up.

Q) Movie is MPEG-1 only not MPEG 4 H.264 hor.. just in case
you need to be aware of this for Apple users. I am sure
can convert.

R) No manual focus ring

S) Lens VERY EASY TO GET DUSTY because it protrudes out.
Need to keep awkward lens adaptor on, But small dust particles
should not affect sharpness, maybe with macro that could
be an issue.

I know everyone is looking for the 'perfect' camera.
My only major gripe is that it has no RAW, But looking back
at using raw for Nikon and canon, if you
allow the H9 to have raw, it may take a lot of fun out
of using the sony H9 because people may want to push
the camera beyond its design goals and there will be a lot
of complaints, but I prefer to let the user decide.

For those wanting to shoot fantastic macros, you have super steady shot..
but you need to test this with multiple stacked lenses to see
if you can blow up that 1mm hairy catapiller.. I am sure others
in the world will be messing around with that.

Adaptor rings: I am sure www.ckcpower.com will come out
with some special rings for this camera or someone else
where will redesign a purpose built ring to place stacked
lenses or other things.. some others will come out
with an ugly but useable jig to do your stuff ..

The above info is just from the 1 hr I have
handling the camera, pls don't flame me if
I am incorrect.

so far I like the camera very much..

Oh BTW, you get a SONY DYE SUB printer bundled.
I prefer the Canon Selphy, but I am not allowed to
exchange it for a memory stick.

Each Sony print costs SG$0.35 cents, I think the selphy
prints are cheaper.. I am not sure which printer prints out
'better' photos. but at post card size, I dont really care.

The sony printer is the NO LCD version.


Allan
 

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