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Sony A100 or Nikon D80 or Canon 400D?


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DewaKarma

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what will happen if Sony A100 is fixed with a Sigma OS or Tamron VC lens?
Will the 2 anti-shake clash? think towards how A100 activate the anti shake, and how OS VC works.
i dun think it will clash...if it does...just switch off from the body itself..its just a button away...hmm...if it works with the AS on..wow...wun it b great...double antishake!! :bigeyes:
 

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Wah...then Pentax just won the awards, so must be good and Olympus system is different so must try then conclusion is to buy all 5 system lor? :bsmilie:
eh...u forgot SIGMA14 ...so buy 6 system in all...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:sweatsm:
 

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With Nikon having the most features, guess there are some features unique to Nikon only, can you quote some of these ? Like to know so that more inform when buying next camera. Thanks.

Most features: Nikon D80
BC
 

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eh...u forgot SIGMA14 ...so buy 6 system in all...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:sweatsm:
Of course not forgetting Sigma too bro. Seriously, I ever thought and I am still thinking of getting the Sigma one. :sweatsm:

With Nikon having the most features, guess there are some features unique to Nikon only, can you quote some of these ? Like to know so that more inform when buying next camera. Thanks.
I was asking about this in my earlier post too. :)
 

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do you have hand shake when taking pictures with PNS camera or Dslr camera?
 

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Why not go and try out the cameras first? All 3 of them feels differently, so your hands may already narrow down your choices for you (at least this is what happened when I was chooseing my dSLR). :D
 

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go the shop and try them out. consider the pricing of the cam and lenses and flash as we.. personally, i find Sony very expensive among the 3 brands.. I like the wide variety of canon lenses, wide range of focal length.. Nikon has CCD sensor that works well in low light conditions..
 

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i see this thread a few times already... seriously i think that sony is better off still making their music devices cos i find it not bad.. i think what u shld compare is Canon and Nikon, by their features, see which suits u better
oi!!!
sony the best hor...;p :devil:
 

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go the shop and try them out. consider the pricing of the cam and lenses and flash as we.. personally, i find Sony very expensive among the 3 brands.. I like the wide variety of canon lenses, wide range of focal length.. Nikon has CCD sensor that works well in low light conditions..
af or noise control?
 

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go the shop and try them out. consider the pricing of the cam and lenses and flash as we.. personally, i find Sony very expensive among the 3 brands.. I like the wide variety of canon lenses, wide range of focal length.. Nikon has CCD sensor that works well in low light conditions..
nikon lenses are more expensive than sony if you ignore the carl zesis lens and g lens. even accessories like flash are much expensive than sony. Lastly nikon do not provide software with the camera you have to buy it cost arnd $700, tink of the overall costs u spend as compare to sony and canon.
 

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nikon lenses are more expensive than sony if you ignore the carl zesis lens and g lens. even accessories like flash are much expensive than sony. Lastly nikon do not provide software with the camera you have to buy it cost arnd $700, tink of the overall costs u spend as compare to sony and canon.
y ignore the carl zeis and g lens?.. is there a need to ignore?.. got to admit that nikon is expensive for their nikon capture.. their sensor works well in low light conditions..
 

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an article from photonotes.org - it mentions about nikon is better than nikon in low light conditions..

i also read about the specs between cmos and ccd sensor which explains ccd is better in low light condition from a link @ cs.com..


Here goes the article..

Autofocus doesn’t work very well when it’s dark. What can I do?

Low-light autofocus is quite a challenge for any camera that uses a passive autofocus system, like all EOS cameras. Passive autofocus means that the camera simply looks through the lens and reads whatever’s there - it doesn’t send out infrared or sound or light or radar beams or whatever to determine the correct focus distance. (the AF assist systems used by most Canon cameras and flash units don’t change this, since the lights are optional assist systems and are not required by the autofocus system)

Generally speaking the more expensive the camera the better the autofocus. There are exceptions to this, but it’s a reasonably accurate predictor of how good AF is going to be when light levels are lower. So a top of the line EOS 1V is going to have wildly better low-light autofocus than an old EOS 1000 consumer camera, for example. This doesn’t quite apply with digital cameras, though - the D30 and D60 are both more expensive than roughly comparable film cameras, but have very poor low-light autofocus.

One way to get a sense of the camera’s low-light AF performance is to look at its specifications. Light levels for AF systems are measured in exposure values (EV), and autofocus systems have their light sensitivity levels expressed as a range of EV. A good camera can autofocus from 0-20 EV. A consumer camera can usually only manage 2-20EV, which means that it needs more light at the dimmer end of the scale to work properly.

Unfortunately low-light AF performance is one area where Nikon products are generally better than Canon products. Many Nikon products autofocus down to -1 EV, for example. Nonetheless there are several things you can do to help your camera with its low-light AF performance.
The majority of EOS cameras with multiple focus sensors have a cross-type sensor as the central sensor. As noted above, cross-type sensors are more accurate than linear sensors because they can detect both horizontal and vertical lines rather than just lines in one direction. So always switch manually to your camera’s centre focus point for improved accuracy.

There is one significant drawback to this approach which you should keep in mind, however. Canon E-TTL flash biases flash exposure to the selected autofocus point. So if you focus on something with the central focus point, recompose the image by moving the camera and then take a photo there’s a good chance that the flash metering will be out. In this case you should lock flash by using FEL prior to recomposing.

Passive autofocus systems try to detect changes in contrast, so help your camera out by giving it a sharp line to focus on. Look for a wall or the edge of something where one side is brighter than the other and the two areas are sharply delineated. This, more than anything else, will make a tremendous difference. Don’t try to focus on a blank wall - AF systems have difficulty with featureless surfaces in bright light, let alone when it’s dark.
Use an AF assist system. Many EOS cameras contain some sort of light-producing lamp which helps the autofocus system in low light conditions. The best kind of AF assist light is a bright red LED which projects a series of patterned lines. It’s relatively unobtrusive as AF assist goes, and the striped lines help the AF system lock focus. A number of cameras - notably the 10/10s, Elan/100, Elan II/50, 5/A2/A2E, Rebel S II/EOS 1000FN and others - have such red lights. Other cameras have white incandescent flashlight-type AF assist lights which work, though not as well. Others, such as the Rebel 2000/EOS 300, Elan 7/EOS 30/33/7, have no dedicated lights and simply emit stuttering pulses of light from the popup flash, which is extremely annoying. Whichever system your camera uses, however, see if it helps with autofocus. Note that some large lenses or lens hoods can block the light from body-integral AF assist lamps.
Attach an external Speedlite flash unit. All Canon Speedlite flash units contain red AF assist lamps which can help autofocus considerably, especially if your camera hasn’t got one. There are a couple of limitations to keep in mind, however. First, two cameras - the 5/A2/A2E and the 10/10s - will not activate external Speedlite AF assist lights. Second, many flash units are not capable of a wide enough spread of their AF assist light beams and so cannot illuminate the outer autofocus points of multiple focus point cameras. Even those with the ability to cover all the focus points of your camera generally illuminate the centre point with lots of light and the outer points with less light. So again it’s best to stick with the centre AF point.
Use a faster lens (ie: a lens with a smaller maximum aperture value). A lens with a maximum aperture of f/1.8 is going to autofocus in low light much more reliably than one with a maximum aperture of f/4.5, for the simple reason that the faster lens will let in many times more light.
Try to focus manually. This is difficult if your camera has a simple matte focus screen. But if you’re lucky enough to have a focus screen with a split circle focus assist aid (see below) then it’s probably most reliable to focus manually.
 

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although sony does make quite good electronics, they are still pretty new to the SLR market, unlike Nikon or Canon who have been making SLRs for many years. also, the lens selection, though other lens makers eg sigma, tamron are making lenses for sony mounts, is still quite limited. the last time i checked (abt 1 month ago), sony only had the 70-200 f/2.8 as a telephoto lens, and it was going for 4k!!! the nikon and canon variations are about 2k+. i would go for the d80, as its features are quite good, but the 400d also would be a nice choice. then again, if you are willing to spend lots of $$ for add-ons, you could go for the A100. it also has GPS photo memory and built-in IS.
Just my two cents worth.
Cheers
 

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an article from photonotes.org - it mentions about nikon is better than nikon in low light conditions..

i also read about the specs between cmos and ccd sensor which explains ccd is better in low light condition from a link @ cs.com..


Here goes the article..

Autofocus doesn’t work very well when it’s dark. What can I do?

Low-light autofocus is quite a challenge for any camera that uses a passive autofocus system, like all EOS cameras. Passive autofocus means that the camera simply looks through the lens and reads whatever’s there - it doesn’t send out infrared or sound or light or radar beams or whatever to determine the correct focus distance. (the AF assist systems used by most Canon cameras and flash units don’t change this, since the lights are optional assist systems and are not required by the autofocus system)

Generally speaking the more expensive the camera the better the autofocus. There are exceptions to this, but it’s a reasonably accurate predictor of how good AF is going to be when light levels are lower. So a top of the line EOS 1V is going to have wildly better low-light autofocus than an old EOS 1000 consumer camera, for example. This doesn’t quite apply with digital cameras, though - the D30 and D60 are both more expensive than roughly comparable film cameras, but have very poor low-light autofocus.

One way to get a sense of the camera’s low-light AF performance is to look at its specifications. Light levels for AF systems are measured in exposure values (EV), and autofocus systems have their light sensitivity levels expressed as a range of EV. A good camera can autofocus from 0-20 EV. A consumer camera can usually only manage 2-20EV, which means that it needs more light at the dimmer end of the scale to work properly.

Unfortunately low-light AF performance is one area where Nikon products are generally better than Canon products. Many Nikon products autofocus down to -1 EV, for example. Nonetheless there are several things you can do to help your camera with its low-light AF performance.
The majority of EOS cameras with multiple focus sensors have a cross-type sensor as the central sensor. As noted above, cross-type sensors are more accurate than linear sensors because they can detect both horizontal and vertical lines rather than just lines in one direction. So always switch manually to your camera’s centre focus point for improved accuracy.

There is one significant drawback to this approach which you should keep in mind, however. Canon E-TTL flash biases flash exposure to the selected autofocus point. So if you focus on something with the central focus point, recompose the image by moving the camera and then take a photo there’s a good chance that the flash metering will be out. In this case you should lock flash by using FEL prior to recomposing.

Passive autofocus systems try to detect changes in contrast, so help your camera out by giving it a sharp line to focus on. Look for a wall or the edge of something where one side is brighter than the other and the two areas are sharply delineated. This, more than anything else, will make a tremendous difference. Don’t try to focus on a blank wall - AF systems have difficulty with featureless surfaces in bright light, let alone when it’s dark.
Use an AF assist system. Many EOS cameras contain some sort of light-producing lamp which helps the autofocus system in low light conditions. The best kind of AF assist light is a bright red LED which projects a series of patterned lines. It’s relatively unobtrusive as AF assist goes, and the striped lines help the AF system lock focus. A number of cameras - notably the 10/10s, Elan/100, Elan II/50, 5/A2/A2E, Rebel S II/EOS 1000FN and others - have such red lights. Other cameras have white incandescent flashlight-type AF assist lights which work, though not as well. Others, such as the Rebel 2000/EOS 300, Elan 7/EOS 30/33/7, have no dedicated lights and simply emit stuttering pulses of light from the popup flash, which is extremely annoying. Whichever system your camera uses, however, see if it helps with autofocus. Note that some large lenses or lens hoods can block the light from body-integral AF assist lamps.
Attach an external Speedlite flash unit. All Canon Speedlite flash units contain red AF assist lamps which can help autofocus considerably, especially if your camera hasn’t got one. There are a couple of limitations to keep in mind, however. First, two cameras - the 5/A2/A2E and the 10/10s - will not activate external Speedlite AF assist lights. Second, many flash units are not capable of a wide enough spread of their AF assist light beams and so cannot illuminate the outer autofocus points of multiple focus point cameras. Even those with the ability to cover all the focus points of your camera generally illuminate the centre point with lots of light and the outer points with less light. So again it’s best to stick with the centre AF point.
Use a faster lens (ie: a lens with a smaller maximum aperture value). A lens with a maximum aperture of f/1.8 is going to autofocus in low light much more reliably than one with a maximum aperture of f/4.5, for the simple reason that the faster lens will let in many times more light.
Try to focus manually. This is difficult if your camera has a simple matte focus screen. But if you’re lucky enough to have a focus screen with a split circle focus assist aid (see below) then it’s probably most reliable to focus manually.
i tried using a friend's canon in quite dark conditions, with just the pop-up flash, and it just wouldnt focus. however, nikon does indeed have a dedicated af-illuminator, so it should have worked ok (in fact the website shows how far each cam can focus in the dark). but if the conditions are not too dark, canon cameras should work fine though. again, if your skills allow you to, you could just manual focus, as you suggested
 

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although sony does make quite good electronics, they are still pretty new to the SLR market, unlike Nikon or Canon who have been making SLRs for many years. also, the lens selection, though other lens makers eg sigma, tamron are making lenses for sony mounts, is still quite limited. the last time i checked (abt 1 month ago), sony only had the 70-200 f/2.8 as a telephoto lens, and it was going for 4k!!! the nikon and canon variations are about 2k+. i would go for the d80, as its features are quite good, but the 400d also would be a nice choice. then again, if you are willing to spend lots of $$ for add-ons, you could go for the A100. it also has GPS photo memory and built-in IS.
Just my two cents worth.
Cheers
Are you sure?
 

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although sony does make quite good electronics, they are still pretty new to the SLR market, unlike Nikon or Canon who have been making SLRs for many years. also, the lens selection, though other lens makers eg sigma, tamron are making lenses for sony mounts, is still quite limited. the last time i checked (abt 1 month ago), sony only had the 70-200 f/2.8 as a telephoto lens, and it was going for 4k!!! the nikon and canon variations are about 2k+. i would go for the d80, as its features are quite good, but the 400d also would be a nice choice. then again, if you are willing to spend lots of $$ for add-ons, you could go for the A100. it also has GPS photo memory and built-in IS.
Just my two cents worth.
Cheers
Sony bought Konica Minolta from the market and inherit most of their technology etc, so they are not really that new to the market.

Sony do have other tele lenses, and some Auto Focus Carl Zeiss lens also, not sure why you are not aware of it :sweat: They will be more lenses announced soon.
There are plenty of older minolta lenses to be used on Sony Alpha mount also.
Alpha 100 do have built in sensor base anti-shake, bur GPS dongle is an external thing though.
 

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