hey thanks alot guys, seems like have to grease the knee caps for the climb up the bridge! thk it will be worth it! some of the office buildings in the area wld be a good vantage point but no way they gonna let us up there haha! i've shot alot of nite scenes as well as daytime street photography since getting my F828, perhaps shld venture for candid portraits (hopefully dun end up getting beat up!) as well as some macro photography. like Chris (Cathay) said "we live in an urban country, we have to look (open our eyes) to find photo opportunities". but lately the weather is rather uncondusive for phototaking, i've wasted a few days of leave taken to shoot photos only to end up staring at a hazy skyline and drab/flat (sunless) overcast lighting on the landscape. weather forecasts doesnt help either. cheers my friends.