True, most shop's pharmacist can't achieve, but those are experience manager of a busy pharmacy shop probably can achieve that.rainman said:
From what I see experienced IT personnels still earning quite good money.
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From what I see experienced IT personnels still earning quite good money.
and to add on, lots of malaysian riding their bike jamming the custom to sg for work. many of them are technician earning more than 3K as well..anyway the idea of most people hearing someone job as technician will thought it is a low paid job...well i think the idea is because they don't wear nice clothing to work 
how about people wearing long sleeve shirt with pants around CBD area but earning 1K to 2K only? They looks nice on outside but inside some empty
how about people wearing long sleeve shirt with pants around CBD area but earning 1K to 2K only? They looks nice on outside but inside some empty
Jellyfish said:
I beg to differ. You can't say getting a degree is not worth it anymore. No doubt you will probably have to wait for 5 years to break even, have you ever thought of what happen after 5 years? Without a degree, you'll probably find yourself stuck at the same position for quite sometime, while your other colleagues keep getting their promotions. And by then, it's harder for 1 to go pursuing higher qualifications as there are more commitments to dealt with.
Gone are the days where pple worship to degree papers. BUT , at the same time, the days where pple look solely for experience have also being thrown into history books.
Good paper qualifications gives you more opportunities to interviews. Just think about it, how is solely depending on experience going to help you when in the first place, you don't even get the chance to meet the interviewers ?
Paper qualifications and experiences are equally important, and note, the papers last you for life.
Just my 0.02 cents. :think:
Degree opens the door... just like my d70... it doesn't make me a good worker or a good photographer....
togu is right. Though a degree is useless, but it's still a piece of paper to help you break a barrier, you need a degree to move further and it does help a bit.
The papers give you a doorway to interviews, your experience however, is the goal to clinching the job.
They compliment each other. I studied for my degree because I understand that in SG, the minimum way is degree, just like officers in NS, without a degree they can never go beyond a Captain rank fast, there's a limitation.
However, to get above Major, depends a lot on your experience & working style.
Same goes in the working world.
The papers give you a doorway to interviews, your experience however, is the goal to clinching the job.
They compliment each other. I studied for my degree because I understand that in SG, the minimum way is degree, just like officers in NS, without a degree they can never go beyond a Captain rank fast, there's a limitation.
However, to get above Major, depends a lot on your experience & working style.
Same goes in the working world.
togu said:
I did say currently dun go for Deg not meaning forever dun go for it.
(thats a big different from what u meant).
Im standing from a point of view of a fresh grad which myself (is one) feel that for the 30k spent is not so worth as many companies look for experienced ppl (with or without Deg) so chances for fresh grads are very slim.
Jellyfish said:
Everybody gotta be a fresh grad once, and everybody have to retire some day too... so why is the chance for a fresh grad slim, when retrenched ppl (with quite a bit of experience and age) are finding it harder to get a job?
Perhaps more optimisim is needed
i_yagami2 said:Everybody gotta be a fresh grad once, and everybody have to retire some day too... so why is the chance for a fresh grad slim, when retrenched ppl (with quite a bit of experience and age) are finding it harder to get a job?
Perhaps more optimisim is needed
Yes all should be optimistic but the fact is how many jobs can be found advertising in the newspapers or jobsDB etc will state "fresh grad can apply"
well can say not much. thats how i deduce that finding a job for current fresh grads are getting more difficult n the pay is miserable (can sometimes eqivalent to a Dip grad). At most few hundred more. If compare the school fee paid for Poly education and Uni education can u see the balance?
Jellyfish said:
Kakak, my bad. :embrass:
You can always go for part time studies, there are lots of DE centres nowadays. You can choose your uni, number of modules to take per semester, and your payment goes by per semester. For eg, if you think you can afford only 1 module that semester, just take 1. Work and study at the same time, you'll earn your degree and experience in no time.
Some will think that DE are not as honourable as taking from local Uni. Well, I think that's total BS, it's still a key to your road to success. :gbounce:
Having a degree now doesn't give as much advantage as many years ago, as anyone can persue a degree easily, either local U or foreign, FT or PT, and degree is so common.
But because it is so common, and many people have one, not having a degree puts you at a disadvantage in the corporate world. Have seen so many times my poly colleagues in my co quit to further studies because they r at disadvantage compared to my grads colleagues.
IMO, u don't need a degree if u are working in a high paying skilled job that not many people can do, u can sell very well (insurance, properties), or u running your own business. If u intend to work for a big company, get a degree.
But because it is so common, and many people have one, not having a degree puts you at a disadvantage in the corporate world. Have seen so many times my poly colleagues in my co quit to further studies because they r at disadvantage compared to my grads colleagues.
IMO, u don't need a degree if u are working in a high paying skilled job that not many people can do, u can sell very well (insurance, properties), or u running your own business. If u intend to work for a big company, get a degree.
Try not to be choosy for your first job (unless they assign you to manage the photocopy & fax machine). Accept low salary and try to do as much variety of work as you can and if possible, do some freelance work. Some companies will frown on freelancing but if you are earning low salary then you can justify it... plus this will put more juice into your resume... and then, say, 6-12 months later... you can now drop the "fresh grad" status and move on to another company (normally it will be difficult to grow in the same company that gave you peanuts).
My point is, there is no easy way unless your very lucky. Long term planning will not only give you enough time and resources to work on but will also prepare you when that time come.
My point is, there is no easy way unless your very lucky. Long term planning will not only give you enough time and resources to work on but will also prepare you when that time come.
Go into IT for the passion, not for the money. Ironically people who keep harping on the money issues never make very good engineers, and probably don't deserve what they earn anyway. The highest paid engineers happen to love what they are doing.
If you don't have the passion, it will be difficult to keep up with techonology. And be honest with yourself, where you stand in terms of skill level.
If you don't have the passion, it will be difficult to keep up with techonology. And be honest with yourself, where you stand in terms of skill level.
zcf said:
a pharmacy degree DOES NOT mean you are a pharmacist, ie those working in Guardian coutners. There are other better paying opportunities like working in drug firms. Medicines are big business and getting medicines approved is very impt. But the job scope requires a lot of travelling which is not very good. 7-8k is not a lot if you consider that my sister has been working for like 10+ years.
The point is NOW it is too late to become a pharmacist. Very simple, when the government got all the big drug companies into Singapore like 6-7 years ago, there were not many qualified people with EXPERIENCE. So you can earn money as demand outstrips supply. now different, bio science so "hot", so many new graduates... hard to compete
Jellyfish said:
Getting a job is one thing, but advancing in the job is another thing. A uni grad might get the starting pay similar to that of a dip holder, but it is likely that the uni grad will get the upper hand when promotions and stuff comes in, given that on-the-job performance is similar.
I feel that this advantage can quite justify the extra school fees paid. And you get free gifts like frens, CCAs, and lots of other stuff, haha
Depends on your work experience.
Got 2 friends , same age , same poly , same uni (monash)
Guy1 - To aussie after NS.
Manage to find a job 6months after grad.
$1.8k plus OT can hit up to $2.2k. Small company in IT sercurity
Guy2 - Study part time in SG
Working experiences from poly till uni - IT related
Now working with big company $3k+
Good luck in finding a job
Got 2 friends , same age , same poly , same uni (monash)
Guy1 - To aussie after NS.
Manage to find a job 6months after grad.
$1.8k plus OT can hit up to $2.2k. Small company in IT sercurity
Guy2 - Study part time in SG
Working experiences from poly till uni - IT related
Now working with big company $3k+
Good luck in finding a jobQuestion: What is IT?
Is it being able to set up a PhpBB forum?
Is it being to design a webpage?
Is it a brainer to administer a box or a network?
Is it being able to write some C#/JAVA/SQL?
Is it designing or coding an ecommerce webby app?
If your answers are yes to any of the above, don't expect to be paid very much. The sad truth is these skills have low barriers to entry and are low value-add in today's contex. Throw a rock and chances are an FT doing the above mentioned will be hit.
I'll drop a few hints at what some of the best engineers are playing with.
Think neural networks for expert systems
Think semantic web
Think vector space models for a new generation of search engines
Think telemetry for mobile devices
Think PROLOG nodules for AI
The big boys are are playing the game at a totally different level, sadly though most so called 'IT' people in SG are not quite up to the mark. If you feel slighted reading this, I apologise, but it changes nothing.
Is it being able to set up a PhpBB forum?
Is it being to design a webpage?
Is it a brainer to administer a box or a network?
Is it being able to write some C#/JAVA/SQL?
Is it designing or coding an ecommerce webby app?
If your answers are yes to any of the above, don't expect to be paid very much. The sad truth is these skills have low barriers to entry and are low value-add in today's contex. Throw a rock and chances are an FT doing the above mentioned will be hit.
I'll drop a few hints at what some of the best engineers are playing with.
Think neural networks for expert systems
Think semantic web
Think vector space models for a new generation of search engines
Think telemetry for mobile devices
Think PROLOG nodules for AI
The big boys are are playing the game at a totally different level, sadly though most so called 'IT' people in SG are not quite up to the mark. If you feel slighted reading this, I apologise, but it changes nothing.
I think need to be very good and specialised in one area.
just think of a guru in, say, network security, or a guru in wireless. think once guru, can make more $ than generalist.
just think of a guru in, say, network security, or a guru in wireless. think once guru, can make more $ than generalist.
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