Rights to bear arms for some have resulted in lost of rights to live for others


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Saddened yet again by another of the senseless killings in the States.
I respect the citizen's rights to bear arms but sometimes i wonder...
Close friends in the States have mixed sentiments over their rights
no longer can they support their claims that these incidents are isolated cases as we are seeing more and more of these incidents.
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Strangely enough there are more arms per citizen in Canada, but much less killings there than in the states, there must be something wrong with their mentality/attitude........

remember where the Western cowboy movies are coming from? If you grow up with these kind of movies.........

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But then again, the people density in the states is higher in some places, perhaps that has got something to do with it? Density in Canada is also high in cities though, but people are perhaps nicer there? he he he he

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hmm
agreed that mentality plays a big part
and also alot of these shootings are by the young and troubled
but we read only what is reported, daily there are shootings, thankfully most are non-fatal, which do not make it to the news.
scary stuff
 

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Linking these shootings to the constitutional right to bear arms is too simplistic.

It ignores the fact that, for example, many organised criminals, drug lords, even street muggers -- all of whom may have criminal records and thus cannot buy guns legally-- are all very well-armed to say the least.

If a guy wants to buy a gun, he can go to a gun store, or he can go to a street corner in a drug neighbourhood-- does it make any difference?

The country is too big, it's not like Singapore where the police can easily seal up the borders. Thus guns, whether legal or illegal, are unstoppable due mainly to physical challenges.


Saddened yet again by another of the senseless killings in the States.
I respect the citizen's rights to bear arms but sometimes i wonder...
Close friends in the States have mixed sentiments over their rights
no longer can they support their claims that these incidents are isolated cases as we are seeing more and more of these incidents.
Nothing is free in this world, not even freedom
 

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Well....there is no guess who is the biggest arms dealer in the world. It only spells profits for arms company and the support it gets from thier gahment administration. A few incident and deaths are collateral damage for them...:thumbsd:
 

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errr.... US population is 10x canada... for every wacko in Canada, there are 10 in US... so the number of killings is not that surprising..

Strangely enough there are more arms per citizen in Canada, but much less killings there than in the states, there must be something wrong with their mentality/attitude........

remember where the Western cowboy movies are coming from? If you grow up with these kind of movies.........

HS
 

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if the population already legalise sales of firearms, wad can easily b done is to stop e sales of live ammo.

silicone (like those soft phone casing) ammo any1? ;p
 

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I have resided in the US for almost 10 years. Overall, I find that most people there are more paranoid, and to a certain extend, isolated. They believe in the constitutional rights and if any of these rights is violated, they will feel 'offended'. Some of them will go to the extreme to defend their rights.

Canada is a different story altogether. Canadians are more open-minded.
 

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Linking these shootings to the constitutional right to bear arms is too simplistic.

It ignores the fact that, for example, many organised criminals, drug lords, even street muggers -- all of whom may have criminal records and thus cannot buy guns legally-- are all very well-armed to say the least.

If a guy wants to buy a gun, he can go to a gun store, or he can go to a street corner in a drug neighbourhood-- does it make any difference?

The country is too big, it's not like Singapore where the police can easily seal up the borders. Thus guns, whether legal or illegal, are unstoppable due mainly to physical challenges.
This is rubbish. Whilst size makes it harder it is not unstoppable, just because a country is bigger doesnt make it impossible. They have more police and more manpower compared to Singapore, so that makes up for its size.

The problem is its written into the constitution, and everyone in America treats this as the bible. The only way to enforce a no arms policy is to make the price of the weapons extremely high or place a huge fine on anyone with a firearm. Whilst gangs and people will still be getting weapons, the troubled teens that have been shooting teh country to pieces will find it extremely difficult to do so.

The freedom to own a fire arm has now come at the expense of peoples lives. This is no longer a freedom but a burden on the people. Something must be done.
 

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The freedom to own a fire arm has now to the expense of peoples lives. This is no longer a freedom but a burden on the people. Something must be done.
if we are looking at social cost to life, then i'm sure if we look at properly done statistics, no matter how you put it, legalised firearms or not, automobile accidents claim more lives than gunfights/shootings.

should we then ban the usage of cars to protect ourselves and our people? :)

that said, i won't enjoy getting killed by a gun either. but neither would i enjoy getting killed by a car. as with any situation there will be 2 (or 3) sides of the coin. firearms can be used for positive AND negative consequences when they are legalised. it just depends on what is done with the firearm.
 

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if we are looking at social cost to life, then i'm sure if we look at properly done statistics, no matter how you put it, legalised firearms or not, automobile accidents claim more lives than gunfights/shootings.

should we then ban the usage of cars to protect ourselves and our people? :)

that said, i won't enjoy getting killed by a gun either. but neither would i enjoy getting killed by a car. as with any situation there will be 2 (or 3) sides of the coin. firearms can be used for positive AND negative consequences when they are legalised. it just depends on what is done with the firearm.
We must look at how this happened. Most accidents are caused by drunk driving. Now the US has made the only reasonable step towards fighting this, 21 and above to drink. Most accidents are just that, an accident. Im talking about some screwed up kid being able to get his hand on a gun extremely easily and taking out a shopping mall. There is a huge difference in examples here.
 

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i kept a gun....did not kill anyone, where is the cowboy mentality
 

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i kept a gun....did not kill anyone, where is the cowboy mentality
:thumbsup:

People in general seem to forget that its not guns that kill people. Its people who kill people.
 

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We must look at how this happened. Most accidents are caused by drunk driving. Now the US has made the only reasonable step towards fighting this, 21 and above to drink. Most accidents are just that, an accident. Im talking about some screwed up kid being able to get his hand on a gun extremely easily and taking out a shopping mall. There is a huge difference in examples here.
making a law is one thing

whether you can really enforce it is another thing altogether. i have seen under 18s in singapore smoking and drinking before, so you tell me. what more the us?

in some sense, won't you consider a screwed up kid, an accident? taking away guns does not solve the problem, making them more expensive doesn't solve the problem. to take away the problem you go to the root - which is the anger and rage that fuels the american youth today. that is the reason why you are getting more gunning incidents. guns have been everywhere since forever.. why is it only increasing now?

take away guns, they will find other things to kill people with. there are so many ways to kill a man.. and guns are not the easiest way.
 

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making a law is one thing

whether you can really enforce it is another thing altogether. i have seen under 18s in singapore smoking and drinking before, so you tell me. what more the us?

in some sense, won't you consider a screwed up kid, an accident? taking away guns does not solve the problem, making them more expensive doesn't solve the problem. to take away the problem you go to the root - which is the anger and rage that fuels the american youth today. that is the reason why you are getting more gunning incidents. guns have been everywhere since forever.. why is it only increasing now?

take away guns, they will find other things to kill people with. there are so many ways to kill a man.. and guns are not the easiest way.
Rubbish! Take away the guns, and there will be far fewer public mass murders. Its simple, its harder to stab 9 people in a row then it is to shoot them, after the first person the assailant would probably be nailed to floor by 40 men.

Yes, there is more rage now, but the availability of guns makes it far easier to express this rage in a negative way.
 

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Rubbish! Take away the guns, and there will be far fewer public mass murders. Its simple, its harder to stab 9 people in a row then it is to shoot them, after the first person the assailant would probably be nailed to floor by 40 men.

Yes, there is more rage now, but the availability of guns makes it far easier to express this rage in a negative way.
no, not rubbish at all

there are still bombs
an angsty american teenager could just grab a car and road rage it through the school, especially if his daddy is rich and owns an suv built like a tank

like i said, so many ways to kill people. why limit yourself to a kitchen chopper? :)
 

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no, not rubbish at all

there are still bombs
an angsty american teenager could just grab a car and road rage it through the school, especially if his daddy is rich and owns an suv built like a tank

like i said, so many ways to kill people. why limit yourself to a kitchen chopper? :)
Ok, take your ridiculous point. Its fair easier for the school to defend against an SUV then a hidden pistol in a rucksack!
 

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