Just started browsing around the market place here and realise that the second hand price w/o warranty for many items in wts thread is actually just 20% or less cheaper than the brand new price in retail shops. Is that the real target price that the seller really wants or is that the price that we start bargaining down from? I mean for instance, selling a body that has been used for a while and already out of warranty for 1.4k when the brand new is 1.8k. Or selling a kit with expired warranty for 1.2k when brand new from retail shop is only 1.5k. Is there a unwritten norm for looking at the price like in those thailand nite markets where prices quoted to you are "flexible"? Really sorry for asking such a question coz I am not too sure about the rules and norms in the marketplace here.