My Second visit to MBS


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1. in what area is critique to be sought?
I like your different opinion on composition and exposure.
2. what one hopes to achieve with the piece of work?
Hope to give the area a clean and hi-tech look and grandness appearance.
3. under what circumstance is the picture taken? (physical conditions/emotions)
Came back to this area to seek different angle and to try this kit lenses.
Last time shoot from esplanade angle.
4. what the critique seeker personally thinks of the picture
The picture does give me a sense of grandness and modern feeling.
The wide angle distortion is not so bad from this angle.

Your comment is appreciated.
 

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it doesn't convey a sense of grandness because in front of it, i feel that the convention center buildings have taken the glory due to the colors, and behind it, the MBS looks small and pales in comparison.

also, the hand-thingy (i can't recall the name) is over-exposed.

but nice colors. it looks like a painting
 

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Hi kei

Thanks for the comment.
What you say is true, my grandness does refer to the whole pic, and the overexpose thingy is like the 'merlion' problem which is 2 to 3 stop brighter as the available lights weaken. probably have to use blending, hdr, black card or stacking to solve it. I will try to find a way to have this done again.What would you recommend for me? It's another challenge for me to improve.
I have seen many photographer facing this problem too and losing detail.
 

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I think you're confused- the casino is only a portion of the entire MBS. It is none of what you photographed there- so the title of the photo is already a miss for me.

With regards to which method (ie. black card/hdr/blend) is recommended- it's up to you to go and try for yourself.

I think, composition-wise, you can afford to go wider. I'd like to see more reflections- they seem to be the only thing worth a second or third look about this photo.
 

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With regards to which method (ie. black card/hdr/blend) is recommended- it's up to you to go and try for yourself.

I think, composition-wise, you can afford to go wider. I'd like to see more reflections- they seem to be the only thing worth a second or third look about this photo.
i concur. we can recommend you one method, but the conditions on that day you decide to take the shot might not be suitable for the said method. so it's best to read up on what you'd like to try to acheive and the methods to achieve it. like what you've already mentioned above, do try out everything.

as for me... blackcard? LOL i only use it for fireworks and light trails.

and yes, reflections from the MBS are nice. do consider getting a wider shot.
 

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The three towers smacked right in the centre of the frame doesn't seem to obey the rule of thirds and makes for boring composition.
 

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The three towers smacked right in the centre of the frame doesn't seem to obey the rule of thirds and makes for boring composition.
This photo is no stunner. But the rule of thirds is not a hard and fast rule. Just because something doesn't obey this rule doesn't make for a boring composition.
 

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candycaine said:
This photo is no stunner. But the rule of thirds is not a hard and fast rule. Just because something doesn't obey this rule doesn't make for a boring composition.
I didnt completely mean that just because it doesn't obey this rule it's definitely not a good composition. Not a hard must follow rule as u said. But something can be better than the three towers right in the centre. What do you think?
 

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I didnt completely mean that just because it doesn't obey this rule it's definitely not a good composition. Not a hard must follow rule as u said. But something can be better than the three towers right in the centre. What do you think?
to some point yeah.. i think sometimes, rules can be broken for composition. for example, he already tried to use the rule of thirds for the horizon.

and shooting from where he was, i doubt he could get a better composition to place the hotel more to the left or right. i've seen some shots of the whole MBS complex, and they place the horizon right in the middle of the entire frame, and the complex right in the middle. yet it looks nice. because of the mixture of timing, reflections etc.

TS already *ahem* shot the MBS from 2 locations on 2 different days. this one i suppose is due to suggestions from other members. perhaps we can all help to list down the possible places and angles he can shoot from? TS is still learning so maybe we can all help ;)

instead of giving vague answers like "follow the rule of thirds" perhaps we can be more objective and tell him the placements of the subject as well?
 

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I sincerely thank both of you for your effort, I came to a different angle from kit's advice and also at a earlier timing but after this shoot it rains so it's not much good for the timing, I can use a uwa to shoot but the building will remain in the centre right or not? To put the hotel to the side then I have to add the flyer and helix which will crowd the scene, I also learn from some of you that not to cut any building that is related to the scene. I am more confused now then before.
I will copy some of the senior pro shoot out and see if I can improve it looks like I be stuck at this location and subject for awhile before I move on because I never give up on things so easily and I am going to learn till perfection then move on.
 

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There are no definite right or wrong answers for composition and as such, perfection is not sometime I would associate with the design of a composition. We are learning along the way and we can only move on when MBS is demolished. Til then, there are indefinite possibilities to experiment on.
 

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I sincerely thank both of you for your effort, I came to a different angle from kit's advice and also at a earlier timing but after this shoot it rains so it's not much good for the timing, I can use a uwa to shoot but the building will remain in the centre right or not? To put the hotel to the side then I have to add the flyer and helix which will crowd the scene, I also learn from some of you that not to cut any building that is related to the scene. I am more confused now then before.
I will copy some of the senior pro shoot out and see if I can improve it looks like I be stuck at this location and subject for awhile before I move on because I never give up on things so easily and I am going to learn till perfection then move on.
I can't remember where you got my advice from but I think what you've read wouldn't be too different from this.....

First, the structure in the foreground is a major major letdown, its distracting and takes attention away from your intended subject ( which I presumed was MBS). Ever since the museum took shape, the design and proportion of it is totally detached from the rest of the buildings in the MBS cluster. Hence placing the museum closer to the frame actually amplifies this uncomfortable fit and obstructs the first and second tower from full viewm depending on where you take the photo from. The rythem of the 3 towers is being distrupted unnecessarily. Further, the low-rise convention centre at the extreme right occupies a much bigger(longer) piece of the cluster. With a view from the left, you'd be left with too much space on the right of the photo. The composition becomes unbalanced. MBS was designed to be a cluster of buildings, hence the challenge is to photograph it in a way which reveals this design intention. I would still have gone for a head-on shot of this MBS from somewhere in front of One Fullerton, which is much further right of where these photos were taken to get a clearer separation between the buildings and obtain more balanced compositions.

This was what I wrote in response to a photograph of the MBS taken from the outside the Esplanade and somewhere in the vicinity. It states my reasons for choosing a particular spot over the other for photographing the MBS.
 

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