Let's pray for the safe release of the Korean hostages


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tan131

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They do not deserve this. If your claim is to "improve" the lives of your people, pls take a look at what these ppl have done for your people before doing such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVSb1MU2kOU&mode=related&search=

Many of them are also Sons, Daughters, Husbands, Wife, Mother & Father.. all they wanna do is to make the world a better place. Why do something like this? Why kill those who love and believe in you? Why kill the very hand that is trying to help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA_yTkOCvus

I hope the world will be a better place to live in...
 

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News like these?

I'm not too optimistic.

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GHAZNI, Afghanistan (AP) -- A group of 75 Taliban militants tried to overrun a U.S.-led coalition base in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, a rare frontal attack that left more than 20 militants dead, the coalition said in a statement.

The insurgents attacked Firebase Anaconda from three sides, using gunfire, grenades and 107 mm rockets, the coalition said. A joint Afghan-U.S. force repelled the attack with mortars, machine guns and air support.

"Almost two dozen insurgents were confirmed killed in the attack," the statement said. Two girls and two Afghan soldiers were wounded during the fight in Uruzgan province, it said.

A firebase like Anaconda is usually a remote outpost staffed by as few as several dozen soldiers.

"The inability of the insurgent forces to inflict any severe damage on Firebase Anaconda, while being simultaneously decimated in the process, should be a clear indication of the ineffectiveness of their fighters," said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a coalition spokeswoman.

A direct attack on a U.S. or NATO base by insurgents on foot is relatively rare. More often insurgents fire rockets at bases and flee. Military officials say that Taliban fighters know they can't match Western militaries in a heads-up battle, which leads the insurgents to more often rely on roadside and suicide bombs.

Meanwhile, South Korean officials and Taliban leaders were expected to agree Tuesday on a meeting place to negotiate the release of 21 South Korean hostages, an Afghan politician said.

The South Koreans and Taliban representatives have been talking by phone for several days and planned to determine a location for their first face-to-face talks by the end of the day, said Gov. Marajudin Pathan, the leader in Ghazni province, where the Koreans were kidnapped.

"There will be one of our government officials in the talks as well," Pathan told The Associated Press.

Pathan said that the meeting is likely to take place in Ghazni province, but could not provide any further details. South Koreans embassy officials were not immediately available for comment.

In South Korea, relatives of the hostages expressed disappointment Tuesday that meetings Sunday and Monday at Camp David between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and President Bush failed to produce concrete measures to bring the captives home.

The Afghan and U.S. presidents ruled out making any concessions to the Taliban militants during their meetings.

South Korean Foreign Minister Song Min-soon cautioned that the country should be prepared for a protracted ordeal, noting that other hostages in Afghanistan had been held an average of 35 days.

Song also said none of the captives were suffering from critical health problems.

A purported Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, said the meeting between Karzai and Bush had "no result," and that militant prisoners must be released in exchange for the lives of South Korean hostages or there will be a "bad result."

The militants kidnapped 23 Korean aid workers traveling by bus from Kabul to Kandahar on July 19. Two male hostages have been killed.

Taliban militants clashed with police in two separate incidents in southern Afghanistan, leaving five militants and two officers dead, officials said Tuesday.

The militants attacked police at a checkpoint in Zabul province on Monday, and the ensuing clash left five suspected militants dead, said Ali Kheil, the spokesman for Zabul's governor.

Also Monday, militants attacked a police vehicle just outside Kandahar city, killing two officers and wounding eight others, said provincial police chief Syed Agha Saqib. The attackers escaped and police are hunting for them, he said.

Insurgent attacks and military operations have killed more than 3,600 people so far this year, most of them militants. Much of the violence has been concentrated in the former Taliban stronghold in the south.

Also in southern Afghanistan, Dutch soldiers fatally shot a motorcyclist who approached their convoy and failed to heed warning signals and shots, the Dutch Defense Ministry said.

International forces are often the targets of suicide bombers, and they repeatedly warn Afghan civilian motorists to slow down or steer clear of convoys so they are not mistaken for attackers. Several civilians have been killed in such incidents.
In fact on human nature? I'm not too optimistic on this either.
 

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we ourself got more problems to solve already...dun look oversea...look at your own country...can you help those elderly staying in redhill a not...

solve your own country woes first before you try to pray for others...
 

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They do not deserve this. If your claim is to "improve" the lives of your people, pls take a look at what these ppl have done for your people before doing such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVSb1MU2kOU&mode=related&search=

Many of them are also Sons, Daughters, Husbands, Wife, Mother & Father.. all they wanna do is to make the world a better place. Why do something like this? Why kill those who love and believe in you? Why kill the very hand that is trying to help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA_yTkOCvus

I hope the world will be a better place to live in...
I think they were captured because they were percieved to be missionaries trying to convert muslims to christians. Whether it is true or not, no one knows but one thing for sure, it was a mistake to send them there as they were amatuers going into a war zone. They also didnt want to report their presence to the afghan govt and they went to take one of the most dangerous routes in Afghanistan without escort.
 

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While praying for their safety.

If and when ever possible, before doing anything please think of consequences and the trouble you will cause to others. Especially when traveling to not so recommended country.
Sometimes no point blaming anyone for not helping when in trouble. You got to face it.
 

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we ourself got more problems to solve already...dun look oversea...look at your own country...can you help those elderly staying in redhill a not...

solve your own country woes first before you try to pray for others...
thanks for ur comments. perhaps u should open up a little. it doesn't take much to do something. i think ur last statement was uncalled for. take a look at urself b4 directing those words. are u any better urself? if not, then jus let this thread be..
 

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The taleban & the koreans have a problem. No one is going to agree to the taleban's demands. They made a mistake by assuming that all foreign civilians are equal. So they can try to save face by professing that a secret agreement has been reached and release everyone, or to prove their resolve, they will kill all the hostages.
 

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They do not deserve this. If your claim is to "improve" the lives of your people, pls take a look at what these ppl have done for your people before doing such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVSb1MU2kOU&mode=related&search=

Many of them are also Sons, Daughters, Husbands, Wife, Mother & Father.. all they wanna do is to make the world a better place. Why do something like this? Why kill those who love and believe in you? Why kill the very hand that is trying to help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA_yTkOCvus

I hope the world will be a better place to live in...

I do sympathise with the hostages, but does anyone care about the common folks being killed daily in Afghan, Iraq, Bosnia ...and many others......does anyone really plea for this killing to stop??? So much for media censorship............
 

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thanks for ur comments. perhaps u should open up a little. it doesn't take much to do something. i think ur last statement was uncalled for. take a look at urself b4 directing those words. are u any better urself? if not, then jus let this thread be..
Politics know NO BOUNDARY! ..... While we share the agony and disbelief of the inhuman execution of the innocents, we cannot and shouldn't get our feelings mixed up with such events.....
Firstly, the organizers have themselves to blame for over-estimating their duties and roles as "angels" in a very very dangerous place, when they booked a bus and traveled by themselves without any protection from guards from UN or local gov. What were they thinking when they decided on such a dangerous mission? .... humanity, religion, etc....?
IMO, no one should offer themselves to any humanitarian aids to any dangerous places without any proper protection from the proper authorities .... :think:
 

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I think they were captured because they were percieved to be missionaries trying to convert muslims to christians. Whether it is true or not, no one knows but one thing for sure, it was a mistake to send them there as they were amatuers going into a war zone. They also didnt want to report their presence to the afghan govt and they went to take one of the most dangerous routes in Afghanistan without escort.
It's likely a true perception but most everyone else has given up on helping in Afghanistan or Iraq because it's just too dangerous.

I feel bad for them but why go when you've probably never been in a war zone? I remember when the U.S. was ready to attack Afghanistan, there was some Christian woman who was apparently there to convert people and if I remember correctly, the Taliban released her but I'd think that was an attempt to avoid war.

The current Taliban have nothing to lose but their hostages. Rationally, they can't believe that anyone will release more fighters but they're not rational, they're desperate.

Good luck to the hostages.
 

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thanks for ur comments. perhaps u should open up a little. it doesn't take much to do something. i think ur last statement was uncalled for. take a look at urself b4 directing those words. are u any better urself? if not, then jus let this thread be..
why not u help those in needs in singapore...why dun you pray for those people in singapore that are suffering...you are so comfortable living here...you only see what is on tv...have u wondered why these are not shown on national tv...think about these people first...they are your fellow countryman...

its only 21 lives that might be lost...and you going to pray for them...what about those who die of hunger...what about those who staying in 1 room flat on their own...you mean you dun notice that they are also suffering? are you so well of as we are many years ago... go and look at the society around you...you think everyone is doing as well as u are?
 

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why not u help those in needs in singapore...why dun you pray for those people in singapore that are suffering...you are so comfortable living here...you only see what is on tv...have u wondered why these are not shown on national tv...think about these people first...they are your fellow countryman...

its only 21 lives that might be lost...and you going to pray for them...what about those who die of hunger...what about those who staying in 1 room flat on their own...you mean you dun notice that they are also suffering? are you so well of as we are many years ago... go and look at the society around you...you think everyone is doing as well as u are?
You are deliberately trying to heat things up. :thumbsd:
 

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the sad part is that they're probably not going to be able to go home alive again. They're pawns between the US and Taliban and neither side is gonna give way to the other...
 

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....the talibans had already stated their condition it up to the korean gov to save their nationals...(for obvious political reason)they choose to dilly dally...say who is the worst of the lot?


dun need to pray....the only key to their release is already in their own gov hand.
 

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....the talibans had already stated their condition it up to the korean gov to save their nationals...(for obvious political reason)they choose to dilly dally...say who is the worst of the lot?


dun need to pray....the only key to their release is already in their own gov hand.
the thing about that is the US is an ally of Korea...the US should be doing something to help coz they're the ones who went into Afghan.
 

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i wish them all the best lah, hope they will return safe.... most of them dont deserve this.
 

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the thing about that is the US is an ally of Korea...the US should be doing something to help coz they're the ones who went into Afghan.
and the korean gov choose their ally over their nationals...pity the hostages and their families
 

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and the korean gov choose their ally over their nationals...pity the hostages and their families
What can the South Korean government do realistically speaking? They have no control over the Taliban prisoners and if I were them, I would never release the Taliban. Releasing them is asking for more kidnappings to take place. I would rather call for a strike in which if all hostages die, unfortunate casualities of war. However I will make sure that I wipe out this group of Taliban and use them as a warning that kidnappings will be met with extreme prejudice.
 

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