Is photography very difficult???


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gameboyz

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Because I totally don't know what is aperture, ISO, etc.

But then when I see a picture I take with my 3.2mp handphone I think it is really crap lor.

Compare:


(N73 3.2MP camera)

and



:confused::confused:

I read that DSLR is better then compact digicams because of the sensor being bigger. But is it noticeable and is it hard to master for a newbie??? :sticktong
 

cpuer

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It takes lot's of practice and need to use a suitable camera for the occasion. Your handphone photo suffered from handshake.

If you really want to pick up photog, try starting slow by getting a prosumer like Panasonic LX3 first.
 

shunzi

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cellphone cameras sucks. they really do.

not really that difficult to take up photography. its not rocket science anyway. you just need to practice more and have a willing to learn attitude towards it.
 

pipo999

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Agree ... total crap .. :cool:

On a serious note, a mobile phone was designed to make and receive a phone call, not particularly as a camera. Nice as a gadget to take that snapshot on a birthday party or that chick in your hotelroom you picked up in Geylang but that is about it.

Learning photography .. well, the Internet is such a big resource. Alternatively there are plenty of books available, from beginner to the pro's, just a matter of spending a few dollars more then camera gear alone.

Apart from that, many organized outings in Singapore, I bet there is always people to help you. I would at least, but KL based .. lol ..

Anyway, a great (and sometimes very expensive) hobby to indulge into, once you get the hang of it, very addictive.

Oh ... ISO is for 'filmspeed', related to the sensitivity of light to record your objects. The higher the number the more room for shooting but decreases the quality of your result, on an average camera that is.

Aperture, the opening of your lens. The higher the opening (lower the number) the more light falls on the film or sensor.

Speed, well ... in combination with your aperture that balances the exposure. Shutterspeed normally gets slower once light gets dimmer.

I hope this helps a bit, i have tried to use some simple wordings. Pro's. don't mock me .. i'm around for awhile .. :angel:
 

tanjonhan

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lets put it this way, u dun need to know all that to take good pics, if u use a decent digicam to take pics u just press the shutter u can easily get pics better than yr hp.

basically for now u are not even using the right tool for the job!

Not all cameras are equal, and you know that. Just because its a camera phone with camera functions, doesn't mean it can take the same quality as a camera that is meant purely to be a camera right?

If u are starting this thread to decide whether you should get a SLR and start taking pictures, do think again. The recent affordability of cameras have seen more and more ppl owning one, and slowly the average consumer all want to jump into the SLR market too, because someone else close to them has one. But you should decide whether u just wan something that can help u take more decent shots or do you really want to take this up as a real hobby, cause i can assure u, a normal digicam will fit the job if decent pics are what you want.

yupz
 

Fotophilic

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Because I totally don't know what is aperture, ISO, etc.

But then when I see a picture I take with my 3.2mp handphone I think it is really crap lor.

I read that DSLR is better then compact digicams because of the sensor being bigger. But is it noticeable and is it hard to master for a newbie??? :sticktong

dSLR can potentially produce better output than compacts. Sensor being bigger is one reason.

The difference is noticable.

It is hard to master. What subject is not difficult to master?

You can learn a lot of what you do not know from the internet. Gooooooooooggle is ur best friend!
 

gameboyz

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It takes lot's of practice and need to use a suitable camera for the occasion. Your handphone photo suffered from handshake.

If you really want to pick up photog, try starting slow by getting a prosumer like Panasonic LX3 first.
But i'll suffer some losses when i upgrade to dslr, so i tot id might as well start with dslr :)

lets put it this way, u dun need to know all that to take good pics, if u use a decent digicam to take pics u just press the shutter u can easily get pics better than yr hp.

basically for now u are not even using the right tool for the job!

Not all cameras are equal, and you know that. Just because its a camera phone with camera functions, doesn't mean it can take the same quality as a camera that is meant purely to be a camera right?

If u are starting this thread to decide whether you should get a SLR and start taking pictures, do think again. The recent affordability of cameras have seen more and more ppl owning one, and slowly the average consumer all want to jump into the SLR market too, because someone else close to them has one. But you should decide whether u just wan something that can help u take more decent shots or do you really want to take this up as a real hobby, cause i can assure u, a normal digicam will fit the job if decent pics are what you want.

yupz
I like the customized and personalised feeling.. And afaik dslr are the only type of digital camera that can be customized right? In fact this is why i built my own computer. A bro here actually introduced dslr indirectly to me and when i first used it you could day i got hooked to it :D
 

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Rashkae

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But i'll suffer some losses when i upgrade to dslr, so i tot id might as well start with dslr :)


I like the customized and personalised feeling.. And afaik dslr are the only type of digital camera that can be customized right? In fact this is why i built my own computer. A bro here actually introduced dslr indirectly to me and when i first used it you could day i got hooked to it :D
Most prosumer cameras can be customized; they accept external flashes and add-on lenses too.

I suggest you read the stickies in this forum section to understand the terminology; but honestly, if you don't understand any of that yet, better wait before getting a DSLR. You're not ready yet.


And yes. PHOTOGRAPHY is difficult. Taking pictures is easy.
 

sin77

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you can consider S5 IS, fuji S100fs, FZ28, LX3 or cheap / 2nd hand DSLR such as D40.

Learning takes time and patience.... but in the process you must enjoy the fun and satisfaction.

I started going out with the groups in CS with only my fuji S5700.

Over time, i learned abit here and there.

But now, even though i havent mastered the skills, photos which i taken were appreciated by people.
The photos appeared in my industry's magazines, book cover, advertisements and recently going to appear in xmas postcard.

I still have a lot to learn...
 

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Simon_84

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yes is hard, everyone knows how to take a pic but mastering photography is not that easy and very time-consuming, if you go into this hobby half-hearted, you will also come out of it half-hearted as well...

i also suffer a loss before upgrading from compact to pro consumer to entry level dslr, but through this process, i find that i actually got time to burn for this hobby and the need to keep improving on the hit rate.
 

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Buggy

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shoot more. u'll learn as you go along. :)

well, you can't say hp cameras suck. it's a class of its own, just that dslr delivers better.
 

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I agree that true photography is really not easy to master. It requires time, effort and patience. That's why people keep on shooting in order to improve their technique.

You should not be comparing your handphone camera with an actual camera, regardless of it being a normal consumer camera or a DSLR. A handphone is not built for photography; just simply for you to make a call or maybe some snapshots when you do not have your camera with you. Therefore, do not try and even compare them when the purpose they serve are widely different.

My advice to you will be to get yourself a prosumer first if you are interested in photography. At the very least, it does not burn a big hole in your pocket. After shooting for a while, if you find yourself really interested in taking it on as a hobby, then expand your gear. Otherwise, you can store it aside.
 

gameboyz

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Hi guys after reading reviews I realised D60 is entry level, not too expensive and quite good except it doesn't have a built in auto-focus drive motor. I'll still be gooooogling for reviews. Any opinions on that? Btw from Nikon's website it costs $988, does it include lens?
 

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The D60 is a good starter IMO. It comes with one lens if I'm not wrong (the 18-55mm VR lens).

(Most camera shops are selling lower than $988. Go to reputable stalls such as Cathay Photos, Alan Photos, MS Color etc.)

Play around with it, get the hang of things, and then go for bigger toys in the long run.
 

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sin77

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i actually want to sell my D60 without kit lens at around $580. Will consider throwing in a brand new Nikon 18-105mm VR lens at another $300. Basically the price is just as cheap as a prosumer. But you get much better quality pictures!
 

sin77

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it is not hard

but it is not easy. basically, it's as fun as you make it for yourself. :)
actually the fun is during the learning process.
and the learning process (fast or slow) is controlled by ourselves also.
The satisfaction comes in when ppl recognise our pics and effort.
Or otherwise u just feel nice about the pics taken....and even set them as computer wallpaper.
 

attap seed

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Hi guys after reading reviews I realised D60 is entry level, not too expensive and quite good except it doesn't have a built in auto-focus drive motor. I'll still be gooooogling for reviews. Any opinions on that? Btw from Nikon's website it costs $988, does it include lens?
i believe any DSLR is good.

my advise is to go straight for one and skip the prosumer.

shooting a DSLR in full auto mode is just like using a point- and- shoot.

after a few outings, u should be ready to explore "customised" ISO, aperture, shutter speed (these 3 are all there is on a camera. but the possible combinations are endless). prosumer may also allow u access to these settings, but chances are, they are not as accessible as that of DSLR.

once things are hard to get to, its really frustrating.

ppl may say if u give up half way, u lose less money from prosumer relative to DSLR. but i believe DSLR (so long as its not very outdated), still ve much better resale value relative a prosumer.
 

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