after reading all the posts, it reminds me of wat my prof used to teach us in sociology classes back at NUS. i took a module of 'deviance and social control' back in my 2nd year. wat interested me was how singaporeans are continually being facinated and digusted at the same time abt public (not pubic, as mentioned in the earlier thread. spelling error, CSers.... ) display of nudity.
on one hand, we have singaporeans who goes "eeeeee...... so disgusting" when anyone display nudity or mentioned it over the media. yet, at the same time, these same people will have no qualms of going to sleazy HCs, geylang, batam, bintan etc... etc.... (just look at the recent channel U programme on health clubs in singapore...) and buy porno books or surf for porno pics online (a recent international survey found that singapore surfers ranks among the top surfers for internet porn....). so, go figure....
actually, this debate is the same as the movie ratings debate. when the ratings first started abt 10+ yrs ago, we have a bunch of singaporeans up in arms abt the degrading of morals among singaporeans (these protesters are mainly chinese-ed people, as i found out during my module. i dun mean to offend any chinese-ed CSers, okie? this is just something i learnt...). yet, the funny thing was that, when the ratings allowed (back then) the influx of Cat III HK pornos being shown at places like yangtze, we see a funny scene of men lining up to go in with umbrellas! aren't these people the same ones who are up in arms over the loosening of morals in singapore??
singaporeans have, and will continue to be facinated and digusted by nudity. same here in CS. guess it has partly to do with the way singapore is being governed and our culture. for ages, porno and nudity are illegal in singapore, except in 'sanctioned' places and in 'arts' (i put them in paranteses becos it is not clear where is 'sanctioned' and wat defines as 'art'). in our asian homes, nudity and sex are, generally, taboo topics not to be mentioned by cultured people or in an audience (of course, not only in singapore. dun believe me? search the news for a german couple who dunno how to have sex.... :bsmilie: ) so, as amfibus mentioned, we really need to loosen up a bit.
i agree the line bet nude shots and porn shots are a fine line indeed. all depends on the mentality of the viewer. of course, there are very obviously defined porn pics out there. however, there are some shots, like those we find on jap soft-porn sites, are so well taken that i would consider them as artistic nudes (ladies, pls dun :kok: me.... this is my honest opinion...). like amifibus said, shldn't we learn to critic such shots as we would to other pics, rather than view them as porn? :dunno:
just my $0.02...
happy vesak day!
on one hand, we have singaporeans who goes "eeeeee...... so disgusting" when anyone display nudity or mentioned it over the media. yet, at the same time, these same people will have no qualms of going to sleazy HCs, geylang, batam, bintan etc... etc.... (just look at the recent channel U programme on health clubs in singapore...) and buy porno books or surf for porno pics online (a recent international survey found that singapore surfers ranks among the top surfers for internet porn....). so, go figure....
actually, this debate is the same as the movie ratings debate. when the ratings first started abt 10+ yrs ago, we have a bunch of singaporeans up in arms abt the degrading of morals among singaporeans (these protesters are mainly chinese-ed people, as i found out during my module. i dun mean to offend any chinese-ed CSers, okie? this is just something i learnt...). yet, the funny thing was that, when the ratings allowed (back then) the influx of Cat III HK pornos being shown at places like yangtze, we see a funny scene of men lining up to go in with umbrellas! aren't these people the same ones who are up in arms over the loosening of morals in singapore??
singaporeans have, and will continue to be facinated and digusted by nudity. same here in CS. guess it has partly to do with the way singapore is being governed and our culture. for ages, porno and nudity are illegal in singapore, except in 'sanctioned' places and in 'arts' (i put them in paranteses becos it is not clear where is 'sanctioned' and wat defines as 'art'). in our asian homes, nudity and sex are, generally, taboo topics not to be mentioned by cultured people or in an audience (of course, not only in singapore. dun believe me? search the news for a german couple who dunno how to have sex.... :bsmilie: ) so, as amfibus mentioned, we really need to loosen up a bit.
i agree the line bet nude shots and porn shots are a fine line indeed. all depends on the mentality of the viewer. of course, there are very obviously defined porn pics out there. however, there are some shots, like those we find on jap soft-porn sites, are so well taken that i would consider them as artistic nudes (ladies, pls dun :kok: me.... this is my honest opinion...). like amifibus said, shldn't we learn to critic such shots as we would to other pics, rather than view them as porn? :dunno:
just my $0.02...
happy vesak day!