Growth Dividends Today!
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...obviously all very rich people here. the attitude disgusts me.
every little bit counts, if you ask me. and it is unfortunately, the people which it helps the most who want it more - and this group of people probably will not ever get to post here. if you do not need it and you think it is nothing, then you could have selected the option to donate to charity, so you can help them more.
every little bit counts, if you ask me. and it is unfortunately, the people which it helps the most who want it more - and this group of people probably will not ever get to post here. if you do not need it and you think it is nothing, then you could have selected the option to donate to charity, so you can help them more.
its not the amount that sux. whats sux is that if they give u $0.50, they will get back $1.00. If they give u $200, they will make u bleed at $500. more price increases coming our way, be prepared all guys and girls, u have been forewarned.
So the last GST credit payment is at 2010, after that no more, wonder how did it help the poor more as claimed, after 2010?
I don't think you've got it right here. The whole point is that the govt is taking away money from us by GST hikes other taxes etc etc...to the point of excessive surplus. i.e. the govt dun need our $$$ but still taking it anyway i guess so can make big investments of questionable quality.
The fact that they are returning a portion of it back to us to make themselves look good and magnanimous, it is this that disgusts me. Because they had no need to tax this money away from us in the first place. This is my hard earned money, given to the govt as extra tax. They are well obliged to return part, or in fact most, of it to us if they did not find a need to use this extra tax.
My only hope is for 66.6% of Singaporeans to wake up and not be political pawns, swayed by the govt "gifting" us money that was rightfully ours to begin with.
no wonder when i was at cam-x, suddenly gut a urge to bbb, end up with a canolite d flash for my lovely canonet. now with original hood and flash:lovegrin::lovegrin:
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
even my most critical economics professor, who has a lot to say about singapore's governance said this grudgingly in front of the entire cohort of first year students. he was talking about well, economics, and how asia's "amazing growth" was actually nothing short of a population explosion enhancing the total output of the entire region.
so as usual he stopped to tell one of his funny anecdotes, something about how a politician in country x went to visit another politician in country y (he actually stated the countries here, but well, it's not very nice). so country x's politician was wowed by the huge sprawling house that country y's politician had. so he asked y - "how did you do it?"
so y beckoned to him, they went out to the backyard, and y pointed out in the distance to an incomplete highway.
"see that highway?" x nodded. "well, half of it went in here." y beamed.
2 years later, y returned the visit to x. he was taken aback - x's house was EVEN GRANDER THAN HIS. so he had to ask x how he did it.
so as usual, x took him out to the backyard, and x pointed out in the distance to that jungle.
"see that?" y was bewildered.
"i don't see anything?"
x: "precisely, ALL OF IT, in here."
he then took a breather after the laughter and went on to talk about singapore's "interesting policies". and i was very amused at that time. like he said; nobody can predict how investments go exactly, not even the greatest economist or the smartest of men can do it, because there are just too many factors to consider. being a rather extreme "market force" advocate he remarked that he thought that the cpf concept was interesting - a bit on the babysitting side, and of course they should have left it to the people to handle their own future. then he paused for a moment and said, "you know what's really amazing? they actually give back the money!" and was met with a huge amount of laughter.
like i always say, every person in this world wants its government to do better. there are always things to improve, widening income gaps (if there isn't, you'd probably be stuck in a rut that is a far worse option). it is all part and parcel of progress; there is no such thing as an entire income bracket moving from $100-$5000 to $5100 - $10000. whatever gave people that idea today really beats me, you are more likely to end up with something like $200 - $1000000.
you know what's really funny? people complain that the government is not helping the poor, etc. well; gst coupled with the rebates is probably one of the few ways to help the poor - like i've argued before in the past, while perhaps the poor ARE hit harder by gst raises, etc, if you compare net amounts taken away to net amounts gained, then you'd see that the poor ARE probably getting helped. of course the middle class would get squeezed, and maybe some of the newly introduced policies seem to favour the rich - but if there's one thing most people OUTSIDE of singapore would agree on, it's that singapore is economically sound.
i do not know where the heck people get the idea that governments have an "obligation to return taxes once there is a surplus". that is really, the most ridiculous thing i have read in here for a long long time.
lastly; look at the calibre of opposition members we have; if the latest spate of events where one of our most "glorified" elected opposition members will not have the courage to stand up for what he started and backs down when questioned seriously - it just proves even more clearly to me that perhaps the people who voted for that guy should just reconsider, they have merely shooed in a useless jellyfish who's more interested in scoring political points than furthering the interests of the nation and sticking up for what he claims to believe in.
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
even my most critical economics professor, who has a lot to say about singapore's governance said this grudgingly in front of the entire cohort of first year students. he was talking about well, economics, and how asia's "amazing growth" was actually nothing short of a population explosion enhancing the total output of the entire region.
so as usual he stopped to tell one of his funny anecdotes, something about how a politician in country x went to visit another politician in country y (he actually stated the countries here, but well, it's not very nice). so country x's politician was wowed by the huge sprawling house that country y's politician had. so he asked y - "how did you do it?"
so y beckoned to him, they went out to the backyard, and y pointed out in the distance to an incomplete highway.
"see that highway?" x nodded. "well, half of it went in here." y beamed.
2 years later, y returned the visit to x. he was taken aback - x's house was EVEN GRANDER THAN HIS. so he had to ask x how he did it.
so as usual, x took him out to the backyard, and x pointed out in the distance to that jungle.
"see that?" y was bewildered.
"i don't see anything?"
x: "precisely, ALL OF IT, in here."
he then took a breather after the laughter and went on to talk about singapore's "interesting policies". and i was very amused at that time. like he said; nobody can predict how investments go exactly, not even the greatest economist or the smartest of men can do it, because there are just too many factors to consider. being a rather extreme "market force" advocate he remarked that he thought that the cpf concept was interesting - a bit on the babysitting side, and of course they should have left it to the people to handle their own future. then he paused for a moment and said, "you know what's really amazing? they actually give back the money!" and was met with a huge amount of laughter.
like i always say, every person in this world wants its government to do better. there are always things to improve, widening income gaps (if there isn't, you'd probably be stuck in a rut that is a far worse option). it is all part and parcel of progress; there is no such thing as an entire income bracket moving from $100-$5000 to $5100 - $10000. whatever gave people that idea today really beats me, you are more likely to end up with something like $200 - $1000000.
you know what's really funny? people complain that the government is not helping the poor, etc. well; gst coupled with the rebates is probably one of the few ways to help the poor - like i've argued before in the past, while perhaps the poor ARE hit harder by gst raises, etc, if you compare net amounts taken away to net amounts gained, then you'd see that the poor ARE probably getting helped. of course the middle class would get squeezed, and maybe some of the newly introduced policies seem to favour the rich - but if there's one thing most people OUTSIDE of singapore would agree on, it's that singapore is economically sound.
i do not know where the heck people get the idea that governments have an "obligation to return taxes once there is a surplus". that is really, the most ridiculous thing i have read in here for a long long time.
lastly; look at the calibre of opposition members we have; if the latest spate of events where one of our most "glorified" elected opposition members will not have the courage to stand up for what he started and backs down when questioned seriously - it just proves even more clearly to me that perhaps the people who voted for that guy should just reconsider, they have merely shooed in a useless jellyfish who's more interested in scoring political points than furthering the interests of the nation and sticking up for what he claims to believe in.
Perhaps I wasn't too clear about the context. In this case the govt justified GST hikes by saying the money will be used to help the less well off. There is little transparency in whether this actually came to pass and the actual quoted figure was 3mil IIRC. I would have no issues if a larger portion of the GST surplus was actually designated for charity, healthcare subsidy or housing subsidy for the poor etc etc. But it seems here that this surplus may have been used for dubious investments instead.
My issue here is with the "sell". It is pure political movement. But I won't have been half as upset if they just plainly said they'd raise GST to bolster against a recession, instead of "to help the poor". In this case they are morally obliged to at least pledge the surplus to the people.
you're perfectly right in your insight anyway.
dang.. i'm a NSF.. but 20 only.. so cannot get.. :cry: we so poor le.. 1 mth only $399.20.. yet no help from the govt.. how can.. :dunno:
yeah but you only come out 4 times a month, which means you get to spend almost $100 each time you're out.
i used to get $200 or something like that, and that was only 5 years ago. my sergeants were getting $350. and yes, i missed the first few gst rebates too.
just enjoy what you have and be a happier person
he complain simi
my camp no food provided, everyday make us book out
and i still managed to save :bsmilie:
mm...actually have you wondered why the calibre of the opposition members are like that?
Frankly, have you actually thought about what it takes to run for the opposition. Before you criticize the opposition, sitting it that armchair of yours, think about what they have sacrificed to give us singaporeans a choice.
PS: it is so hard to speak freely in singapore due to the political and legal climate. Seriously, even PROFESSIONALLY trained lawyers can be sued and convicted of libel. Frankly, in my own layman point of view, I really don't think that case was libel but obviously I was wrong. Since I don't know what is libel, I might as well just shut up.
http://www.ipu.org/hr-e/170/Sin01.htm
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Given the anonymous nick posting nature of online forum, CS is not the place for such discussion. And there's a GOOD reason for this. Online internet is not as "law-free" as some of you may think. I am not discouraging the freedom of having personal opinion but I hope everyone do learn and think how can a online post (especially those heated and irresponsible replies) impact oneself AND others (CS in this place).
Efforts and time have been spent in keeping this website available for photographers to share their pic/photos, tips, etc. The last thing we want to see is another email from the relevant authorities knocking on CS doors again.
I am not locking this thread up, but do steer clear of those sensitive topics that I have mentioned above.
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