Full frame vs DX (cropped) trend


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sin77

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Many people are saying full frame is getting more and more affordable, hence when buy lens, should get a compatible one (with full frame) even though now you are using DX.

So how soon will this trend be realised? within 3 yrs or 5 yrs?
Have you (DX users) started collecting full frame lenses?
 

mrericlee

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Oh craps.. which lens is not compatible with full frame? I better stop buying anymore lens until I figure this out.
 

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Many people are saying full frame is getting more and more affordable, hence when buy lens, should get a compatible one (with full frame) even though now you are using DX.

So how soon will this trend be realised? within 3 yrs or 5 yrs?
Have you (DX users) started collecting full frame lenses?
see whether you need full frame or not. I myself know of people who use full frame cameras for the features but use cropped body lenses.
 

eosandy

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Lenses compatible with FF are a must if you are going to keep gear for a few years...

If you have BBB virus and $$$ no issue.
 

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Lenses compatible with FF are a must if you are going to keep gear for a few years...

If you have BBB virus and $$$ no issue.
I don't think so la. DX will still be around for some time to come.
Probably the successors to (Nikon) D90, D300 and (Canon) 450D, 50D, etc... they'll still be fitted with DX-size sensors. So at least another generation of cameras will still be perfectly useable with DX lenses.

Well, like you say, if you have REALLY deep pockets and like to buy the latest gear everytime, then I guess it's better to stop investing further in DX technology.
The D700 and D3 are heavy beasts though. I'm 1.86m and 80kg (not a small guy), and I still think they're both too big and bulky to carry out everywhere. If you're just a hobbyist and like to snap everything, these are not the cameras to get. haha.
 

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Full frames are great, however, you still need to know your photographic styles. For myself, I realize than on full frame I'm more relying on zooms (above 80mm) compared to on crop (80mm/1.6). So if you want to collect FX lenses, do consider that in mine since there's a 50% difference between 1x and 1.5x (for nikon). Also, if you don't really need the wides, do you actually need an FF, or you can just moved on to higher features cropped.
 

Blur Shadow

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In a sense, I'm a DX format supporter. I personally do not believe that the DX format will be rendered obsolete, but perhaps be relegated to the more entry-level segment of dSLRs.

I believe the FX format will get cheaper (even cheaper than our current Canon 5D Mk II / Nikon D700), forcing manufacturers to compete against their own flagship DX format dSLRs... Hence, the death of the DX format... to a smaller existence of the Canon 1000D / 450D / Nikon D60 / D90 class of cameras... Which is the class of cameras I've been using all this while anyway. (I use a Nikon D70.)

So you've gotta see where you stand. If you're obviously a professional with a great preference for the FX format, why upgrade everything now?

Perhaps the ones in the greatest dilemma are the folks who are the high-end DX users wondering if they should upgrade to the next level of prosumer FX class of cameras... Ha... For that, I'd say, let your budget decide. I do believe that all manufacturers will continue to update their lenses to match them to the current FX format, so even if you hoard all the FX lenses now, you may still be left high and dry because there'd would be newer lenses offering superior performance.
 

gymak90

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I'm supporter of neither. I'm a supporter of "value-for-money."

I reckon prices of FX will fall in 3yrs time. I'm not a professional, just a hobbyist, I don't see the need to spend so much for FX currently. Even though I love uwa lenses, I can make do with 12-24. As for telephotos, DX works very well.

But one thing to note, FX has it's disadvantages. The corners of lenses are not always as sharp as the centre. Vignetting can also be a problem. Unless I'm ready to get FX and get the best FX lenses to avoid vignetting and corner sharpness, I would stick to DX.
 

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I don't think so la. DX will still be around for some time to come.
Probably the successors to (Nikon) D90, D300 and (Canon) 450D, 50D, etc... they'll still be fitted with DX-size sensors. So at least another generation of cameras will still be perfectly useable with DX lenses.

Well, like you say, if you have REALLY deep pockets and like to buy the latest gear everytime, then I guess it's better to stop investing further in DX technology.
The D700 and D3 are heavy beasts though. I'm 1.86m and 80kg (not a small guy), and I still think they're both too big and bulky to carry out everywhere. If you're just a hobbyist and like to snap everything, these are not the cameras to get. haha.
Woo... I'm 1.83m 85kg with large hands. I need big boobs and large grips ! :bsmilie:
 

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Before APS-C goes, I believe 2 things must happen...

PNS will obselete first.

FF's prices must drop below $1000...

and you know, by that age and technology, your APS-C IQ may even par FF..., and don't worry, the companies won't allow APS-C to run out of business... the price gap between an APS-C camera and a FF is there for a reason... the production cost is definitely not very far off from each other.

APS-C will only obsolete if a smaller company, say maybe Pentax, suddenly comes up with a very good FF camera and price to target the mass consumer market...

Anyway this thread has driven some of the lens choosers nuts? =P
 

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Before APS-C goes, I believe 2 things must happen...

PNS will obselete first.

FF's prices must drop below $1000...

and you know, by that age and technology, your APS-C IQ may even par FF..., and don't worry, the companies won't allow APS-C to run out of business... the price gap between an APS-C camera and a FF is there for a reason... the production cost is definitely not very far off from each other.

APS-C will only obsolete if a smaller company, say maybe Pentax, suddenly comes up with a very good FF camera and price to target the mass consumer market...

Anyway this thread has driven some of the lens choosers nuts? =P
I have a slightly different opinion from you: I believe PNS is there to stay due to its light weight, small size and convenient, I believe most of us who own DSLR also has a PNS to carry around.

As for FX vs DX, I don't have a crystal ball to see, but if I were to buy new lens, will prefer to buy FF lens so that it can be future proved. Camera body will become worthless after a few years, but lfor enses, as long as it is well kept, still holds its value and usefullness.
 

ombre

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I have a slightly different opinion from you: I believe PNS is there to stay due to its light weight, small size and convenient, I believe most of us who own DSLR also has a PNS to carry around.

As for FX vs DX, I don't have a crystal ball to see, but if I were to buy new lens, will prefer to buy FF lens so that it can be future proved. Camera body will become worthless after a few years, but lfor enses, as long as it is well kept, still holds its value and usefullness.
Hm, I half-agree with you. I'm sure definitely they will have market for PNS... but it should be dirt cheap and considered obsolete by then if the APS-C can become obsolete.=P perhaps cellphone camera can reach PNS quality someday.

But all in all, this debate is not worth having for now... =)
 

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always remember that as fullframe become cheapr, cropped dslr will also become cheaper.

and with technology, future cropped dslr i believe can reach the image quality of ff
 

sin77

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Before APS-C goes, I believe 2 things must happen...

PNS will obselete first.

FF's prices must drop below $1000...

and you know, by that age and technology, your APS-C IQ may even par FF..., and don't worry, the companies won't allow APS-C to run out of business... the price gap between an APS-C camera and a FF is there for a reason... the production cost is definitely not very far off from each other.

APS-C will only obsolete if a smaller company, say maybe Pentax, suddenly comes up with a very good FF camera and price to target the mass consumer market...

Anyway this thread has driven some of the lens choosers nuts? =P
PNS will only obsolete if handphone camera catches up with conventional cameras.
Well it is possible in near future because they are now using water to create superb optical zooms for cameraphone.

On the other hand, there is no close relation between PNS obsolete with DSLR obsolete.
 

sin77

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Maybe in the future, all PnS would have an APS-C sensor in them.... :)
can the size still be as slim and compact??

If all PNS got superccd, i already happy.
 

sin77

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Hm, I half-agree with you. I'm sure definitely they will have market for PNS... but it should be dirt cheap and considered obsolete by then if the APS-C can become obsolete.=P perhaps cellphone camera can reach PNS quality someday.

But all in all, this debate is not worth having for now... =)
but the debate can help me analyse whether to invest in FF compatible lenses
 

zac08

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Many people are saying full frame is getting more and more affordable, hence when buy lens, should get a compatible one (with full frame) even though now you are using DX.

So how soon will this trend be realised? within 3 yrs or 5 yrs?
Have you (DX users) started collecting full frame lenses?
I have been since day 1... I have no DX lenses at the moment... :bsmilie:
 

zac08

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Oh craps.. which lens is not compatible with full frame? I better stop buying anymore lens until I figure this out.
Canon or Nikon user??

Canon look for EF and not EF-S

Nikon, look for non-DX lenses.
 

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