Yep.Originally posted by Larry
but then no amt of USM will save an out of focus image...
I get heart pain whenever I do a trashy shot on my Coolpix. :bheart: And sometimes still so thick-skin to post it up.... :embrass: heheheheheh.Originally posted by YSLee
nothing like a good heart pain to deliever a lesson that is remembered. Sad to say few share this sentiment.
Originally posted by FLiNcHY
Fast forward back to singapore, my dad got back and instantly uploaded his photos onto the computer and they turned out nice and good. So he printed those meant with his collegue in them. His collegue on the other hand only handed him his photos days after they returned to singapore and the photos were really really bad.
Originally posted by lavenderlilz
This has got nothing to do with whether film or digital would give u better photos or you would learn better with either one.
It simply means that your dad's colleague would still produce lousy pics cos he's not good (even if you were to pass him a digital camera). Period.
Originally posted by Flinchy
Looks like i'll be in for a major heart pain if i do use a film slr. But then again, that's what digital camera's are for. To take away all that frustration.
Fast forward back to singapore, my dad got back and instantly uploaded his photos onto the computer and they turned out nice and good. So he printed those meant with his collegue in them. His collegue on the other hand only handed him his photos days after they returned to singapore and the photos were really really bad.
Now, is it a matter of choosing to stick to the old ways of photography or to embrace technology, forget the basics and just get on with shooting and accepting that a good result can be achieved with little skill?
Just like the driving of cars nowadays. People are learning how to drive automatically rather than starting with the basic fundamentals in manual. I know for singapore its still manual but in other places, the fundamental part of learning has been skipped and people just need to learn how to drive automatic.
And everyone's happy with just automatic because it's so much easier and less work needs to be done. We are the slaves of laziness.
That's for sure.:thumbsup:Originally posted by Snowcrash
Film SLR or Prosumer also can learn, just that One must be AWARE of the what you can learn from every shot.
This is not necessarily the case. Just a matter of self-discipline, if that is a harsher description. I've seen film shooters who compose on the fly. And digital (prosumer-class) shooters who do likewise. Same goes for laziness....Originally posted by Snowcrash
Shooting film, must 'save' every shot, so never shoot new angles/compositions to learn from it.
Shooting digital, no need money, anyhow shoot, come back post-process with so MANY photos...
Haha. YES! But make sure its armed and ready to shoot (film/CF/batts)! I missed a cute kid just cuz my batts were flat....:cry:My advice: have a camera with you always, you never know when you will need it.
I beg to differ. Such is the ease of use of a digital camera that if it were to just be used as a point and shoot camera, satisfactory results can be achieved by virtually anyone.Originally posted by lavenderlilz
It simply means that your dad's colleague would still produce lousy pics cos he's not good (even if you were to pass him a digital camera). Period.
Originally posted by BraveHart
That's cuz you've probably never used a film SLR. Given the sophistication of the metering system these days its rather difficult to screw up your shots exposure-wise unless its a really difficult lighting situation. As for being frustrated...yes I understand most people would be very eager to see their shots immediately after exposure. I would too. But as a film user I live with and accept that limitation. And as a non-professional, its not really a big deal to me.
Sounds like more of an issue of the person behind the camera. Then again it could be the lab....then again it could be a thousand and one factors...and I'm really not to sure what you mean by "good" and "bad" without seeing any pictures to substantiate those criterion.
Nope...the fundamentals behind taking good photographs will always be there, despite what technology can do for us. It'll be quite sad the day the camera composes the pictures for us while all we have to do is trigger the shutter. When that day comes....I'll start clubbing.
As above, despite having 2 systems of opearting a car, the fundamentals of driving a car (eg steering, estimation etc etc) still holds no matter what kind of car you drive.
Yup. But laziness won't get you pictures, no matter how cool or sate-of-the-art your camera is.
Originally posted by Azure
This is not necessarily the case. Just a matter of self-discipline, if that is a harsher description. I've seen film shooters who compose on the fly. And digital (prosumer-class) shooters who do likewise. Same goes for laziness....
Originally posted by FLiNcHY
Your views however, are not those shared by the general public. The average joe on the street will marvel at the vastly improved picture quality of the digital camera as compared to his old film point and shoot camera.
The average joe will be amazed at the speed in which he can view his photos
The average joe will realise that it is actually possible to edit his photos to make them look better
The average joe will realise that he can take an almost unlimited amount of photos, now that he does not need to buy rows and rows of film to take his photos and spend money developing them to find that some of his pics turn out bad.
The average joe is not searching for the perfect shot, he just wants to take photos.
These factors will make the average joe switch to a digital cam.
Just like driving, technology has made photo taking a much easier task, producing better results with lesser effort.
Originally posted by FLiNcHY
I beg to differ. Such is the ease of use of a digital camera that if it were to just be used as a point and shoot camera, satisfactory results can be achieved by virtually anyone.
But if u give a SLR camera to anyone, not everyone will be able to achieve satisfactory results.
Originally posted by FLiNcHY
Your views however, are not those shared by the general public. The average joe on the street will marvel at the vastly improved picture quality of the digital camera as compared to his old film point and shoot camera.
The average joe will be amazed at the speed in which he can view his photos
The average joe will realise that it is actually possible to edit his photos to make them look better
The average joe will realise that he can take an almost unlimited amount of photos, now that he does not need to buy rows and rows of film to take his photos and spend money developing them to find that some of his pics turn out bad.
The average joe is not searching for the perfect shot, he just wants to take photos.
These factors will make the average joe switch to a digital cam.
Just like driving, technology has made photo taking a much easier task, producing better results with lesser effort.
Originally posted by FLiNcHY
Your views however, are not those shared by the general public. The average joe on the street will marvel at the vastly improved picture quality of the digital camera as compared to his old film point and shoot camera.
The average joe will be amazed at the speed in which he can view his photos
The average joe will realise that it is actually possible to edit his photos to make them look better
The average joe will realise that he can take an almost unlimited amount of photos, now that he does not need to buy rows and rows of film to take his photos and spend money developing them to find that some of his pics turn out bad.
The average joe is not searching for the perfect shot, he just wants to take photos.
These factors will make the average joe switch to a digital cam.
Just like driving, technology has made photo taking a much easier task, producing better results with lesser effort.
Originally posted by YSLee
I agree, so if you want to stay at the level of competency of an average joe can obtain, you're by all means welcome to wallow in the depths of mediocrity.
hmmm i'm afraid i'll have to disagree with you about that...Originally posted by FLiNcHY
You fail to understand that the population that own digital cameras do not compose fully of photography savvy individuals such as yourself.
For every photo savvy individual like you, there are 10 average joes who choose to purchase that cheap fujifinepix A100, or nikon 2500 because my above mentioned reasons have appealed to their needs.
With little photography knowledge, only knowing how to point and shoot, yet able to get better results than what they would have gotten with their old film cameras (not talking solely abt SLR).
That in itself is reason enough to go digital.