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Got Couching Tiger stance one!
Or Sleeping Mantis style?
Got Couching Tiger stance one!
Or Sleeping Mantis style?
Hey hey, i been trying to learn such stances for ages !
But this stance only Ang Moh can master
With the bruhaha all over town on the organizer who let ST reproter into his shoot, and the clandestine reporter who infiltrated a shoot last year, I have a few questions.
Do we know our organizers? Meaning, can we trust our organizers to do the right thing. The organizer who let the reporter into his shoot claimed that if the photographers are not comfortable, he will tell the reporter to leave. Sorry, too late, they are shooting in a public place, and anyone can take picture of anything in public. DUH! And journalist will claim said pictures are newsworthy, nothing any of the photographer can do.
Do we know what are the intentions of all the other fellow photographers there shooting? Is one or more than one of the photographers infiltrating the shoot for intentions other than getting good or even not so good images of the model?
What can we do??? What should we do??
I am asking this question to organizers, who needs to protect the photographers and models from infiltrators, and to the photographers, whom must protect themselves from an organizers whom had cut other under the table deals with someone whose intention is not taking pictures of the model.
I don't want to and intent to bash anyone. However this is a lesson we must learn. The word is not a safe place for photographers.
Got Couching Tiger stance one!
Or Sleeping Mantis style?
Top right blue jean one is Pissing Monkey Stance.
Red shirt Ang Moh one is Monkey Bum or Monkey Catching Crab Stance depending which Kungfu school you're with.
Here's the Lost Monkey stance for the newbies who have no clue what to do in a photoshoot:
I did raise the same points and questions in another thread and this is the organiser's replyIn my view, the organiser must get 100% agreement from EVERY single photographer, PRIOR to the shoot, BEFORE even allowing the reporter/journalist to appear.
I'm not sure if this was done, or whether it was more of "after the fact", ie photograhers show up and then were told about the reporter, and that if they dont like, the reporter will be asked to leave - in my view this does not quite seem acceptable as some meeker photogrraphers, whilst having objections, may not have sufficient fortitute to raise them or may be bowed by peer pressure.
Or as DP has said, all may have objected, but the reporter can then shoot from a distance.
Perhaps the relevant organisers (I don't even recall who they are) may like to clarify and clear the air. If indeed the latter, then apologise, admit the mistake and learn from it
If I was one of the participating photographers, I would be very unhappy if the organiser let a reporter into the shoot WITHOUT first informing me about it BEFOREHAND. I would then sit down and think of all possible legal actions that can be taken against him if I felt sufficiently cheesed off.
Being hunted by wolves is one thing, but only the stupid or insane will let a wolf in the door.....best way to avoid being cornered, organize shoot yourself...then you can be assured that reporter will be there only upon your request.
The organiser had already put them in a spot where it was "damned if I do and damned if I didn't". The newspaper photographer was already there, like it or not. Whatever they do will be reported. It would appear worse if it was reported in the Sunday Times that their photographer was chased off. wouldn't it?this situation is rather strange, participants pay to attend shoots, when a "situation" arises, why where are their voices?
to that end, forumers are splitted hairs for them? :dunno:
some may shoot me for being selfish, but IMO its really very strange, & i'm saying it as it is.
The organiser had already put them in a spot where it was "damned if I do and damned if I didn't". The newspaper photographer was already there, like it or not. Whatever they do will be reported. It would appear worse if it was reported in the Sunday Times that their photographer was chased off. wouldn't it?
Besides, they wouldn't be able stop him from shooting the whole group at it from a distance and no-one can be sure if he came prepared with an ultra-telephoto or not.
At the mercy of the press, it would have been far wiser to be co-operative than antagonise them.
It is neither and to be precise it is about "young and eager girls readily posing for male photographers for small fee, even free".I thought the papers was focusing more on the models than the organisers? :think:
hello, its public space, even police cant stop the reporter from taking photos of the group, so u think the org can stop him? have u not been reading cs forum about streets photography?
the question here is, dp, correct me if i mis-interpreat ur post, is did the org has the interest of the photogs and models as 1st priority?
i know i know... i guess all got to be as rich as mr DP... to have own home studio den can shoot safely protecting all the models and photographer.. make sure all curtains are closed properly too..wan shoot what also can hor... hahaha.. your photograph did give all a great idea.. we shall all work towards your direction...
Yes, that is what I meant. However, more importantly, is the trust between the organizer and the photographers and the model(s).
If I attend a shoot, as Vince said in another post, I do not expect to have a reporter presence whom was invited by the photographer. This should be disclosed at the time of signing up, not jsut prior to the shoot. That is a total breech of trust.
And your point is?