Nessie said:Are you able to tell the difference in a picture if its take with a great lens and a great DI?
i.e. a photo with excellent quality and depth with
a photo that gone thru DI (USM, gaussian, some touchup with lens correction.)
tha's not very true.. As mentioned, it depends on how good e person is at DI..S11loop said:a gd lens give u speed and better bokeh ... u cant achieve good AF speed to capture that important moment with very gd Di skill and theres is a different between between a gd pleasing bokeh and a fake Di oof area .
i think u dont understand what i say ... is okunseen said:tha's not very true.. As mentioned, it depends on how good e person is at DI..
A very good DI artist will have you wondering how on earth they actually take some of the photos around. Not talking about simple DI, but more advanced DI where you can put anything into a scene, change the entire sky, change an entire car, change a girls stomache from flabby to 6 pacs and so on. And make it look real.
If you can tell the difference between a DI-ed work and a non-DIed work by the technicalities, then the DI artist is not good.
IMHO, if it looks too good to be true, thus it has a high chance of being DI-ed.
I've seen some rubbish in and stunning works out, thus rubbish in rubbish out doesn't apply to everyone.
I'm saying that the difference between real Bokeh and fake DI bokeh when done properly is one which you cannot tell apart.S11loop said:i think u dont understand what i say ... is ok
I think if the day ever come there will be no need for Buy and Sell forum and there wont be a need for big white lenses or costly lens maybe camera maker will start closing down one by one also and we can convert BnS forum into a DI artist for hire zoneunseen said:I'm saying that the difference between real Bokeh and fake DI bokeh when done properly is one which you cannot tell apart.
Important moments can be created in DI if you're good enough. A good enough artist can draw a whole photograph if necessary, but that's out of the scope of this discussion.
USM, gaussian, some touchup with lens correction = simple DI. Very simple DI.
LOL the thread starter nvr asked for which is more important.
I'm of the stand that if the DI artist is good enough, you won't be able to tell.
Nessie said:Veyr interesting inputs. I'm just weighing the need of getting REALLY god quality lens to make the photos turn WOW. I can agree that some says that the input has to be good to produce good output also. I believe each and individual have their preferences, however, collective I can feel that a good DI skills is good to have.
Thanks clubsnappers!
Nessie said:Veyr interesting inputs. I'm just weighing the need of getting REALLY god quality lens to make the photos turn WOW. I can agree that some says that the input has to be good to produce good output also. I believe each and individual have their preferences, however, collective I can feel that a good DI skills is good to have.
Thanks clubsnappers!
LOL ah.. but good DI skills is alot harder to accquire than a $10k lens. You can always save up $$ for a lens, but.. skills are just skills.S11loop said:I think if the day ever come there will be no need for Buy and Sell forum and there wont be a need for big white lenses or costly lens maybe camera maker will start closing down one by one also and we can convert BnS forum into a DI artist for hire zone
If thats the majority people " Belief "
I personally think all this digital enhancement are important but then to ask me draw a photo ? sorry i am a photographer not a painter and here we are talking abt purely lenses and DI skill for photography right and so why would a photographer need to draw if he has a camera with a lens . I might not be able to tell the true of the photo is a done up from very gd DI but there is people i know which has the "eye" to tell , some photographers with sensitive eye should be able to tell the feel of the photographs and differential it so dont be too sure to assume that if u cant tell so is the rest cant tell too .
well abit off topic , just my 2 cent worth unbias comments
cheers :cheers:
:bsmilie: true.. DI can always outsource.. but good DI artists charge like a few k for a few images... I'm not saying a faster/sharper lens is better, I'm just saying that DI can really do wonders. Thing about proper DI is, it takes forever. Most people don't have the patience, I must admit neither do I. Spend 1 week doing up 1 entire image? I'd rather go and retake the image. However there ARE shots which are not replicable, thus DI is needed.theRBK said:$10k lenses are expensive, but DI can always outsource...
And as I think S11loop was saying, good lenses give you shots where not so good ones just can't perform... in dark scenes, a faster lens will give you a sharp image where a slower lens might not, and there are limits to sharpning... and fast lenses tend to focus faster as well...