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Haven't watched it ... but the title is really suggestive.

Is this another of those that condones extramarital affairs and demotes morality???

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errrr... no no.. this is not another of those NPNT thread in the darned hwz forum... *oops*. ha.


just a purely text post to discuss about the show.
 

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alankuik said:
Haven't watched it ... but the title is really suggestive.

Is this another of those that condones extramarital affairs and demotes morality???

:what:
absolutely....how else can it depose "sex and the city?"
 

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alankuik said:
Haven't watched it ... but the title is really suggestive.

Is this another of those that condones extramarital affairs and demotes morality???

:what:
Go watch it... then decide for urself...

I watched the first episode last week... really fascinated by the interesting characters and a different approach in story-telling... very enjoyable... :bsmilie: Just the cure for Monday Blues... ;)
 

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wondering when will there be deperate models. :(
when there is only one photographer left in the world.
 

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It's always sad to see words such as "condone" being used in this manner.

Reminds me of the way that Beijing forced the producer of Infernal Affairs to alter the ending (to have Andy Lau killed because he did something immoral) so that it could be shown in China, because the Chinese authorities did not want people to have the idea that evil pays.

That's a very backward way of leading a country, in my view. Almost as bad as the old Chinese TV programmes which glorified the Communists as saviours and heroes of the country fighting against the evil Japanese and Nationalists. The implication is that people should be allowed to see only what you want them to see, and to think only what you want them to think.

Why should a novel, play, TV programme, movie, etc. be thought to condone something (sex, gambling, violence, etc) just because it shows that something? If you went by that yardstick, then the Godfather series also condones Mafia activities and settling of dispute by violent means. So should we stop people from watching such movies? Should the Godfather not be given the Oscars? Etc.

Desperate Housewives is a fantasy, pure and simple. It has good scripts, interesting storylines and plots, eye candy and great locations. It does not condone anything. Whether you want to have extramarital affairs after watching it is your own decision. Don't blame this programme for anyone having extramarital affairs. But don't ask the Govt to ban such programmes either, just because you can't live with the idea of the programme "condoning" extramarital affairs or immorality.

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alankuik said:
Haven't watched it ... but the title is really suggestive.

Is this another of those that condones extramarital affairs and demotes morality???

:what:
 

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alankuik said:
Haven't watched it ... but the title is really suggestive.

Is this another of those that condones extramarital affairs and demotes morality???

:what:
haha ..... i couldn't find this word in the dictionary :>>> Housewifes :dunno:
 

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waileong said:
It's always sad to see words such as "condone" being used in this manner.

Reminds me of the way that Beijing forced the producer of Infernal Affairs to alter the ending (to have Andy Lau killed because he did something immoral) so that it could be shown in China, because the Chinese authorities did not want people to have the idea that evil pays.

That's a very backward way of leading a country, in my view. Almost as bad as the old Chinese TV programmes which glorified the Communists as saviours and heroes of the country fighting against the evil Japanese and Nationalists. The implication is that people should be allowed to see only what you want them to see, and to think only what you want them to think.

Why should a novel, play, TV programme, movie, etc. be thought to condone something (sex, gambling, violence, etc) just because it shows that something? If you went by that yardstick, then the Godfather series also condones Mafia activities and settling of dispute by violent means. So should we stop people from watching such movies? Should the Godfather not be given the Oscars? Etc.

Desperate Housewives is a fantasy, pure and simple. It has good scripts, interesting storylines and plots, eye candy and great locations. It does not condone anything. Whether you want to have extramarital affairs after watching it is your own decision. Don't blame this programme for anyone having extramarital affairs. But don't ask the Govt to ban such programmes either, just because you can't live with the idea of the programme "condoning" extramarital affairs or immorality.

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By that same token, the government should lift all forms of censorship with immediate effect. If religious extremists of a certain persuasion saw it fit to produce a show that denigrated another religion and incited hatred, that MUST be allowed to air, as it should be not be construed as "condoning" any form of action. I.e. the show should not be blamed for the actions of a small minority who may take the message too literally and commit hate crimes, right.......NOT!

Whether you like it or not, there are reasons why there are laws specifically prohibiting certain forms of publications/shows/subject matter, quite simply because they do not fit the moral standard of the day. You may choose to watch Desperate Housewives (as I do), but to argue that TV show do not promote certain values and influence behaviour is specious. If that were so, companies might as well save the many billions of dollars they pour into advertising each year.
 

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dkw said:
By that same token, the government should lift all forms of censorship with immediate effect. If religious extremists of a certain persuasion saw it fit to produce a show that denigrated another religion and incited hatred, that MUST be allowed to air, as it should be not be construed as "condoning" any form of action. I.e. the show should not be blamed for the actions of a small minority who may take the message too literally and commit hate crimes, right.......NOT!

Whether you like it or not, there are reasons why there are laws specifically prohibiting certain forms of publications/shows/subject matter, quite simply because they do not fit the moral standard of the day. You may choose to watch Desperate Housewives (as I do), but to argue that TV show do not promote certain values and influence behaviour is specious. If that were so, companies might as well save the many billions of dollars they pour into advertising each year.

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HAha.. interesting development of this thread. :)

constructive discussion is better than penalizing my spelling la canonised. ;)


Anyway, i'm not saying that these shows should be banned or wad.
So, maybe i should re-phrase my comment.
"here we have another show about extra-marital affaris".

To those that thing that extra-marital affairs are fine and nice to watch, i wunder wad will happen if you find that you're the 'star of hte show' next time.

just curious. :)
 

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Exactly right. That's why they have the 1st Amendment in the US, flag burning is allowed, anti-Bush messages ads are allowed, Michael Moore and Farenheit 911 is allowed, refusing to sing the National Anthem is allowed, begging is allowed, Church of Satan is allowed, etc. That's what freedom of expression means.

It's a question of principles. Do you believe that you are entitled to human rights (one of which is the freedom of expression), just like all other humans? Or do you want the govt to censor what you read, see, hear and think? It's your choice.

It's not specious to say that "Desperate Housewives" does not promote extramarital affairs. It's entertainment, that's all. To promote something is to drive an agenda. This programme has no agenda other than to get TV ratings. If every programme we saw "promoted" something, then CSI would be promoting the idea that forensics can solve every crime, Dilbert would be promoting goofing off at work, ghost movies would be promoting the idea that ghosts are real, Ocean's 11 would promote the idea that you can rip off a casino and get away with it, etc. C'mon-- if it's fiction, it's just a story, enjoy it.

There are programmes to promote causes. Eg. educational programmes to promote healthy lifestyles, etc. Your example of a religious show to denigrate another religion would be another example, as there would be appeals or deliberate misinformation given to rally people to action. But a movie or documentary to show the cause of an actual or fictitious religious riot is different-- even if you think the movie is biased, it is still a story, and not a call to arms.

We need to separate fact from fiction. You may think that seeing too many gangster movies leads to more violence, too much sex in movies leads to teenage pregnancies, but many people in developed countries would not agree with that kind of view.


dkw said:
By that same token, the government should lift all forms of censorship with immediate effect. If religious extremists of a certain persuasion saw it fit to produce a show that denigrated another religion and incited hatred, that MUST be allowed to air, as it should be not be construed as "condoning" any form of action. I.e. the show should not be blamed for the actions of a small minority who may take the message too literally and commit hate crimes, right.......NOT!

Whether you like it or not, there are reasons why there are laws specifically prohibiting certain forms of publications/shows/subject matter, quite simply because they do not fit the moral standard of the day. You may choose to watch Desperate Housewives (as I do), but to argue that TV show do not promote certain values and influence behaviour is specious. If that were so, companies might as well save the many billions of dollars they pour into advertising each year.
 

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